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Urre Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 1073 Location: Sweden |

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:35 pm Post subject: I3D :D :D |

I'll just paste from a short discussion in #qc: <Urre> why aren't all inside3d tutorials moved to the quake wiki, the forum moved to the quakesrc.org forum, and finally put i3d to the eternal rest? <Spike> Urre: because q2+qc don't mix. <Urre> what does q2 have to do with this?
<Spike> quakesrc
<Spike> we don't want the q2 zealots polluting the minds of all the qc modders, do we.
<Urre> quakesrc already has quake forums along with q2 forums, and is known for wanting to be versatile on this subject
<Urre> the i3d forums would obviously get their own categories
<Urre> like a QC forum, just like there is already a q2 mod DLL forum
<Spike> sure, but the q2 coders would pollute it.
<Urre> how exactly?
<Spike> We don't really want annother q2 clone.
<Urre> haven't seen them pollute prydon forums and whatnot
<Akuma> jeez
<Spike> heh
<Akuma> this kind of crazy thinking was bad enough 5 years ago
* Urre prods Akuma with a hotdog
<Urre> what?
<Akuma> oh no q2 people evil >
<Spike> q2 is eeeeeeeeevil. Nothing wrong with the people, just that the engine is eeeeevil and the people modding it are poluted because of it.
<Spike> eeeeevil.
<Spike> dlls = eeeeeevil
<Urre> Akuma: what's your take on this?
<Urre> i think there should be a merger
<Urre> and i'll brutally slap anyone who doesn't want to switch due to website colors, which seemed to be the main point people brought up last time it was suggested
<Spike> qc and q2 have very different takes on things, and the whole mix of q2 and qc hasn't been good in the past (take evilpope+inside3d as an example). prolonged exposure is likly to lead to too many flamewars.
<Spike> heh
<Akuma> you get jerks on either side
<Urre> Spike: like i said, quakesrc already has both quake and q2 in it... this would just add some more quake to it...
<Urre> i think quakesrc is falsely stamped as a q2 hangout
Don't say it's the colors...
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MauveBib Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 602 |

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: |

I like Inside3d. I like it's history, I like it's present and I hope it has a future. Why do we really need to move? For QC matters I post here, for other Quake stuff I'd probably post at Quakesrc. It's not like you're tied to only posting in one forum.
This is the last bastian of QC, the final frontier of Quake modding. I don't want to lose it, because I don't want to lose our identity.

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Entar Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 422 Location: At my computer |

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject: |

The I3D forums seem to be home to qc modders, and seem to be more focused on qc rather than engine coding like the Quakesrc.org forums. _________________ woh... feelin woozy... too much cider... http://entar.quakedev.com games fascination - My Game Development Blog/Journal

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Tei Joined: 25 Oct 2004 Posts: 195 |

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: I3D :( |

He you! Urre! Let QC coders use whatever forum like. FrikaC and CheapAlert and others have work hard to rebuild our I3D look&feel for a reason: the people here like this look and feel. My general ranter about that problem: Reasons to love: all.
Reasons to fight:
being a idiot.

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Spike Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 944 Location: UK |

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject: |

Inside3d is QC, QuakeSrc is C. That's a pretty huge difference. QuakeSrc with it's forums for Q1 engine, Q2 engine and Q2 dlls is entirly C. Inside3d is a self-contained community. The two simply will not mix well. But mostly it's the colours.
Black is a lot softer.

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Error Inside3D Staff Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 558 Location: VA, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |

this is the QC modder home. to destroy it would kill this community. I3D and Quakesrc.org are too different to merge. if I3D dies, I'm gone. as a matter of fact... somebody castrate Urre for suggesting this. Quakesrc.org's colors are shit anyways
Quakesrc goes down way too fucking much for me to like it.

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Urre Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 1073 Location: Sweden |

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:38 am Post subject: |

I just don't like the idea of having to check 2 sites, when it could all be concentrated into one. I also don't understand how anyone could see it as the 'death of I3D' in functionality terms. As a name it might die, but not it's purpose, as a forum for QC modders (which also is just a coincidence, if you look at the forum names on I3D you'll notice there's only one Quake specific forum, which is the Quake Events forum. The Coding forum even lists itself as "Discuss programming for all 3D games.").
The fact that Quakesrc.org is a C only forum (which isn't fully true either, if you look at the full list of forums) is only because there is not a forum for QC YET! I'm not suggesting that we move our posting to their existing forums, but rather make sure we get our own QC forum there.
*Protects his balls*
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Electro Joined: 29 Dec 2004 Posts: 241 Location: Brisbane, Australia |

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:34 am Post subject: |

Inside3D is to remain the home for Quake and more importantly QC and the developers who continue to use it. QuakeSrc is deemed a Q2 community for the fact that it mainly consists of Q2 developers and content... if this doesn't make it more of a Q2 site then what does?
Merging I3D with QuakeSrc would result in the flooding of the Q1 community with the larger population of Q2 members.
I3D is more than just a website... more than a name... like Mauve said, it has a history... a large development history that will be scarred if the site is moved in any way. Even the design is part of the history! If I3D had a redesign i don't think it'd end up being the same ever again.
Urre you should take a long think about the suggestion you're coming up with and take into consideration the people that have been regulars here.... and the fact that some of them are posting their opinions stating that they don't want to merge. Don't try and force your opinions like this onto the QC community, your balls will get crushed.
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MauveBib Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 602 |

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:03 am Post subject: |

We don't mean to have a go Urre, but as you know some of us have been coming here for a lot longer than you have. Maybe it's silly that we feel so attached to this site, especially as the main page is essentially dead, but this site means a lot to us.

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Urre Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 1073 Location: Sweden |

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:30 am Post subject: |

Fair 'nuff. I think however Electro fails to realize that I'm also a regular here (admittedly not as long as most others) and I consider myself very much part of the QC community, I thought others did too... I must note however that I found my way to Quakesrc.org about a year before I heard of I3D and #qc, or even the general concept of IRC. This is probably why I'd even suggest such a seemingly outrageous merger.
Have mercy on my balls.
EDIT:
I'd also like to add that I felt this suggestion was more righteous when coming from one who actually is part of the community, rather than someone from the outside coming and saying that "Quake is old and shit, why do you bother, go hl2!!" or something... But you guys are right.
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Harb Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 89 |

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: . |

I demand this topic title is changed to 'I3D ' or I'll kill a pikachu. _________________ ><)))'>

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Wazat Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 732 Location: Middle 'o the desert, USA |

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:52 pm Post subject: |

Well, besides the fact that I3d seems to be down more than I'd like, I'm actually quite fond of the atmosphere here. I see no reason for a merger. I'm not afraid of corruption from the q2 community (and I figure Spike was being flippant when he suggested it), and I'm not afraid of being overrun by q2 people. The spread of corruption or disease is unlikely. I have it on good authority that the quakesrc people have been thoroughly dusted for lice, kooties, and flesh eating viruses, and I have the doctor's word that the worst of the genital-seeking-prianah scare is over. (but he lies!)
However, I still want to stay in I3D and keep it as my main base of operations because... it's Inside3D. We're our own little nitch that likes to do things our own way. We have our own culture, hence the colors.
I imagine we'd be a bit closer to the Q2 community if we shared a forum location, but then again we don't want to abolish Inside3d and hunt its remaining members to extinction for not transferring over. I like our home.
I still visit the Quakesrc board occasionally. Problem is I'm not terribly interested in engine coding. I like to use the engine features, and I could probably continue for years to come happily not knowing how those features work, only that they work. Perhaps if there was an active qc community there like there is here I'd visit several times a day like I do I3D.
But I don't want to forcibly evict the people here from their home and ship them to Quakesrc to make that happen. Maybe if we put it up for a vote...
I do think I'll start visiting the Q2 modding board more as the QExpo approaches, however.
Harb: *sniff* I wanted to kill the pikachu! You said I could!
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Urre Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 1073 Location: Sweden |

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject: |

Damnit Wazat, that was so well said you made me feel bad... _________________ Look out for Twigboy

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RenegadeC Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 370 Location: The freezing hell; Canada |

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:47 pm Post subject: |

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Wazat Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 732 Location: Middle 'o the desert, USA |

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:21 am Post subject: |

:D _________________ When my computer inevitably explodes and kills me, my cat inherits everything I own. He may be the only one capable of continuing my work.

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