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ceriux Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 969 Location: Florida, USA |

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: good tutorial for making a bot from scratch? |

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Wazat Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 732 Location: Middle 'o the desert, USA |

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject: |

I wonder if Coffee's site is still up. My understanding is Tutor Bot was a wonderful way to learn AI and bot building. Someone may know of the link and/or have an archive. _________________ When my computer inevitably explodes and kills me, my cat inherits everything I own. He may be the only one capable of continuing my work.

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ceriux Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 969 Location: Florida, USA |

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |

this should be his site right? http://minion.planetquake.gamespy.com/index2.html or this? http://minion.planetquake.gamespy.com/index3.html _________________ QuakeDB - Quake ModDB Group

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MauveBib Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 602 |

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject: |

Yes, the AI cafe is without a doubt the best site for this. It doesn't start from scratch, it starts with a simple template bot called the tutor bot then each tutorial adds a new feature to the bot. The tutorials are very well written and I (and many others) learnt an awful lot from them. I highly recommend them.
The link to the tutorial page seems to be broken in the site, so here's a direct link to the tutorials page:
http://minion.planetquake.gamespy.com/tutorial/main.htm
And here's a link to the tutor bot page for the download:
http://minion.planetquake.gamespy.com/tutor.htm
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ceriux Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 969 Location: Florida, USA |

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: |

i found those... iv applied the tutor bot to a vannilla quake mod directory, and the bot doesnt seem to spawn. _________________ QuakeDB - Quake ModDB Group

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MauveBib Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 602 |

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: |

Did you read the instructions in tutor.qc? If you follow them correctly it will work. _________________ Apathy Now!

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ceriux Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 969 Location: Florida, USA |

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: |

got it working, wasnt paying attention. my next problem seems that tutor bot completely changes some aspects of the game. such as i noticed i started getting random weapons on spawn . some that wernt even on the map. also the bots dont show up in the scoreboard o.O?
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Electro Joined: 29 Dec 2004 Posts: 241 Location: Brisbane, Australia |

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject: |

I'd highly recommend stripping the bot RIGHT back, get rid of all the player animation and think stuff in it. Then implement proper botclient stuff that is supported by FTE and Darkplaces. This will allow the bots to use real player physics, and show them on the scoreboard. As well as keeping the amount of bs pollution in your qc to get things working to a minimum.
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MauveBib Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 602 |

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:45 pm Post subject: |

The tutor bot is initially rubbish, the downloaded version supports basically nothing, has fake weapon pickups, not on the scoreboard etc. The idea is that you follow the tutorials and gradually add these features to the bot, learning in the process. The resulting bot is a lot better, though still not brilliant, but it teaches you an awful lot in the process.
If you want to make a DP only bot the tutor bot isn't a great place to start. I have a project called MauveBot that is roughly speaking a DP specific tutor bot equivilent; a plugin bot written to be as simple and short as possible. I wrote it for Nexuiz but it should work fine for Quake. I'll see if I can dig it up.
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ceriux Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 969 Location: Florida, USA |

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:34 am Post subject: |

awsome thanks. _________________ QuakeDB - Quake ModDB Group

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MauveBib Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 602 |

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:06 am Post subject: |

Ok, here's the MauveBot: http://elf.planetquake.gamespy.com/mauvebot.zip. It's a very, very simple bot for Darkplaces that can be plugged into any mod incredibly easily. The bot is dumb as hell, but that's because there are only 250ish lines of code in the whole thing
It should be a decent framework for building a DP bot, as it has nothing but the basics scetched out.
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ceriux Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 969 Location: Florida, USA |

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:13 am Post subject: |

awsome thanks! _________________ QuakeDB - Quake ModDB Group

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Team Xlink Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 320 |

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject: |

I hope this isn't a topic bump, it was on the first page still. MauveBib, in the MauveBot, what exactly makes it DarkPlaces specific? I assume these things might tie it to be DarkPlaces specific. DP Extensions (I am not sure if it uses this or not but a lot of DarkPlaces specific mods do.)
And
sv_user.qc
(This one I am not 100% sure on, but it is very good for AI it results ins some very realistic looking bots, the best example of a good use of it for AI is Electro's ShockBot, the most realistic bot I have seen so far it doesn't look like a bot, it looks like a human player.)
A bot that requires only 250 lines of code, is a very good base for a bot.
The MauveBot is as close to a bot template/skeleton that I could find.
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MauveBib Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 602 |

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:34 am Post subject: |

Team Xlink: The whole thing is hugely DP dependant, especially the botclient and movement code etc, which is entirely handled by DP. _________________ Apathy Now!

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FrikaC Site Admin Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Posts: 947 |

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:44 pm Post subject: |

FrikBot was supposed to be a bot template/skeleton. I guess I failed.

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