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MeTcHsteekle Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 397 Location: its a secret |

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:19 am Post subject: earliest dp build with stainmaps? |

does anyone know what the earliest build of dark places with stainmaps? im looking through them ATM but im wondering if anyone would remember _________________ bah

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leileilol Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 1321 |

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:11 am Post subject: |

I think they existed in a mid-2002 build. Dunno why everyone went into a stainmap frenzy, I hated the idea since day 1.

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r00k Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 483 |

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:05 am Post subject: |

Ditto they look really blocky at some areas, besides if you can run DP you can use decals, (which still in 2009 do NOT clip to BSP! wtf?)

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MeTcHsteekle Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 397 Location: its a secret |

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |

r00k wrote:
Ditto they look really blocky at some areas, besides if you can run DP you can use decals, (which still in 2009 do NOT clip to BSP! wtf?)

lolza
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MeTcHsteekle Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 397 Location: its a secret |

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: |

...aaaaanyways, can someone show me a blocky stainmap? i haven't seen one yet and ive been looking :S _________________ bah

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r00k Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 483 |

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject: |

DP's stainmaps look pretty good, compared to other engines that used them back in 2002, which were blocky because at times they'd clip at the edge of a parallel leaf. I would see this on DM3, shooting a wall near upper bridge where the stainmap would have a definite edge.

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MauveBib Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 602 |

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject: |

Or when shooting at an area where the texture is really scaled the stainmaps will be scaled too due to the weird lightmap format of q1bsp. _________________ Apathy Now!

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reckless Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 390 Location: inside tha debugger |

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:36 am Post subject: |

mh's opengl based engines have stainmaps "well atleast the one i based mine on" which reminds me i have to upload the updated exe i think i squashed the problem with it not loading on anything besides nvidia cards and your going to love the lava effect muahaha ARB fragment shaders ftw.

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Irritant Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 115 Location: Maryland |

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |

r00k wrote:
Ditto they look really blocky at some areas, besides if you can run DP you can use decals, (which still in 2009 do NOT clip to BSP! wtf?)

It's a real bitch to implement. There are a few q2 based engines doing it though.
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mh Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 910 |

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: |

Stainmaps, decals, etc are really really nice in principle, but unless they work correctly on inline (*) brushmodels they're just going to look wrong in many instances, and I lean on the side of not doing them at all in that case. Same applies to shadows, by the way. If you're going to do it at all, do it right.
Problem is that the Q1 BSP format just doesn't contain enough info to properly support these things.
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reckless Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 390 Location: inside tha debugger |

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject: |

true its a real bitch to get running best decals i seen are tenebraes and they only got so far by feeding info from a script source + some qc hacks which in turn whacks up compatibility with mods who didnt have a speial progs.dat. in fact there first releases could only run quake and mods were not supported unless the protocol was changed in qc. the last release supports loading mods but some look real weird without the special qc support.
this could probably be made better but i guess it would require some massive codechanges.

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MeTcHsteekle Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 397 Location: its a secret |

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:37 pm Post subject: |

mh wrote:
Stainmaps, decals, etc are really really nice in principle, but unless they work correctly on inline (*) brushmodels they're just going to look wrong in many instances, and I lean on the side of not doing them at all in that case. Same applies to shadows, by the way. If you're going to do it at all, do it right.
Problem is that the Q1 BSP format just doesn't contain enough info to properly support these things.

hm, well how would you apply these things as correctly as the q1bsp would allow? /hinthint nudgenudge saynomore/
i just noticed on my 213 comment i quoted your 213 comment :O
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Killer of noobs Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 6 |

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |

on an unrelated note, does anyone have a download for fiend hunter?

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mh Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 910 |

Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:19 am Post subject: |

MeTcHsteekle wrote:

mh wrote:
Stainmaps, decals, etc are really really nice in principle, but unless they work correctly on inline (*) brushmodels they're just going to look wrong in many instances, and I lean on the side of not doing them at all in that case. Same applies to shadows, by the way. If you're going to do it at all, do it right.
Problem is that the Q1 BSP format just doesn't contain enough info to properly support these things.

hm, well how would you apply these things as correctly as the q1bsp would allow? /hinthint nudgenudge saynomore/
i just noticed on my 213 comment i quoted your 213 comment :O

A new BSP format would be one way; evaluating stuff at load time would be another, a third would be running through bmodel entities and checking separately against those (like is done with dynamic lights). None of it trivial, I'm afraid.
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MeTcHsteekle Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 397 Location: its a secret |

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:56 am Post subject: |

whoa whoa whoa whoa, this is not my batman cup ... i mean which did u base it off of? , i mean like the source you used

reckless wrote:
mh's opengl based engines have stainmaps "well atleast the one i based mine on"

sorry im seeing this so late, busy watching Darkman and forum browsing at the same time
i also rad that you need QMB particles for stainmaps, is this true?
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