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Baker Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1538 |

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |

Spirit wrote:
No it's fun! Leave it open and let them fight to total fatigue.

I find myself in great agreement with CheapAlert and his philosophy, despite his fondness of flaming me.

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leileilol Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 1322 |

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |

Baker wrote:

Spirit wrote:
No it's fun! Leave it open and let them fight to total fatigue.

I find myself in great agreement with CheapAlert and his philosophy, despite his fondness of flaming me.

last time i checked
cheapalert was a racist and made sites like nigga stole my bike
he is apparently sexist too
i do not like being associated with this cheapalert. because you suck at reading comprehension. It is disrespectful and rude. And no, pulling the brown nose card does not work either.
Want me to call you Hitler? Would you like that?
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mh Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 910 |

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |

Godwin's law strikes! Seriously, on the shareware Quake IP use, you really should check out the current license. Carmack has always stated it as being his intention to allow more open distribution (e.g. included in Linux distros) since the source was GPL'ed, so I'd recommend finding out a few facts (no, I don't know either, but finding out first seem the path of wisdom here). There's also a .plan post (from Todd, I think) where the use of Quake media assets was basically allowed (so long as you don't take the piss with it). Under the GPL this is permissible as they're demonstrably not "part of the program".
The same should apply to the retex material, under the same conditions, unless you're looking to be an absolute GPL purist (and thereby applying a license that is neither suitable for nor recommended for (by the FSF) media assets to media assets).
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RenegadeC Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 370 Location: The freezing hell; Canada |

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:57 am Post subject: |

mh wrote:
Godwin's law strikes! .........................

Great read, thanks for bringing the topic back

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GiffE Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 141 Location: USA, CT |

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |

Heres another to add to your list: http://industri.sourceforge.net/ http://industri.sourceforge.net/dloads.php?e=t2 pre-Alpha version of Tennebre 2 (even though it sucks), it does not distrubute source. Obviously its really old and dead

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mh Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 910 |

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |

Is it REALLY GPL violation, though? There is nothing in the GPL that stipulates that the source must be made available for download from the same page or even site as the binary. In fact, you are perfectly entitled to not even put an offer for source on the site, as all that the GPL requires is that the binary be accompanied by the offer. So inclusion of the offer in the readme would be acceptable. Mere inclusion of the GPL text in the same package as the binary would probably even suffice. So source download link, no source included in the package, but still OK by the terms of the GPL.
Sometimes people can be too quick to shout "GPL violation!" without even having studied the text of the GPL...
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zxcvb Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Posts: 27 |

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: |

Baker wrote:

leileilol wrote:

Baker wrote:
have you considered removing the Quake Retexturing Project textures that are in Open Arena?

there are none

There certainly are.
And when I saw them, I can say I found it extremely hypocritical that someone like yourself that goes overboard acting like an emo to others on numerous occasions hasn't applied his standards to himself.
/I'm not saying it was intentional on your part. I figure you inherited them second hand somehow. But I still find it very hypocritical that someone who wastes as much time as you do on trolling others didn't expend a similar type of effort to check all of your textures.

leilelol is a big hypocrite, for one side he/she gets so self-righteous about copyright and intellectual property matters, yet she doesnt have that standards in the poor quality projects he/she gets involved in. She even has claimed to have an illegal beta of quake1, which refuses to say how he/she got it. I think id should know about that.

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RenegadeC Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 370 Location: The freezing hell; Canada |

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: |

Can we please not make this about leilei :\

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Sajt Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 1027 |

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |

My complaint about zxcvb I pride myself on my exactitude. As you'll see from this letter, I provide copious detail and try to be as precise as possible when describing the ways in which the need zxcvb's spokesmen have for his querulous jibes is especially strong as a means of transferring blame -- an outlet for the despair they face when normal channels of protest and change are closed. But first, I'm going to jump ahead a bit and talk in general terms about how zxcvb has an uncanny knack for making evil appear good and good appear evil. Then, I'll back up and fill in some of the details. Okay, so to start with the general stuff, zxcvb claims that he can absorb mana by devouring his nemeses' brains. I respond that I'm indisputably bewildered by the intransigent nature of his scare tactics. I realize that the tone of this letter may be making some people feel uneasy. However, even if you're somewhat uncomfortable reading about zxcvb's oppressive memoranda please don't blame me for them. I'm not the one destroying our moral fiber. I'm not the one turning misogynists loose against us good citizens. And I'm not the one forcing me to leave the country.
zxcvb has planted his forces everywhere. You can find them in businesses, unions, activist organizations, tax-exempt foundations, professional societies, movies, schools, churches, and so on. Not only does this subversive approach enhance zxcvb's ability to crush the will of all individuals who have expressed political and intellectual opposition to his smear tactics but it also provides irrefutable evidence that he wants to exploit the feelings of charity and guilt that many people have over the plight of the homeless. It gets better: He actually believes that he is the ultimate authority on what's right and what's wrong. I guess no one's ever told him that his thesis is that the future of the entire world rests in his hands. That's absolutely paltry, you say? Good; that means you're finally catching on. The next step is to observe that I am aware that many people may object to the severity of my language. But is there no cause for severity? Naturally, I insist that there is because we ought to tell it like it is. That'll make zxcvb think once -- I would have said "twice" but I don't see any indication that he has previously given any thought to the matter -- before trying to apotheosize what I call uncontrollable killjoys.
zxcvb claims that the Universe belongs to him by right. I would say that that claim is 70% folderol, 20% twaddle, and 10% another crotchety attempt to base racial definitions on lineage, phrenological characteristics, skin hue, and religion. We must change the world for the better. If we fail in this, we are not failing someone else; we are not disrupting some interest separate from ourselves. Rather, it is we who suffer when we neglect to observe that there are two sorts of people in this world. There are those who parlay personal and political conspiracy theories into a multimillion-dollar financial empire and there are those who replace today's chaos and lack of vision with order and a supreme sense of purpose. zxcvb fits neatly into the former category, of course. He loves getting up in front of people and telling them that he is entitled to advocate virulent modes of thought. He then boasts about how he'll develop mind-control technology within a short period of time. It's all part of the media spectacle that is zxcvb. Of course, he soaks it up and wallows in it like a pig in mud. Speaking of pigs and mud, I have to wonder where zxcvb got the idea that it is my view that "metanarratives" are the root of tyranny, lawlessness, overpopulation, racial hatred, world hunger, disease, and rank stupidity. This sits hard with me because it is simply not true and I've never written anything to imply that it is. I'll end this letter with a personal invitation to zxcvb himself: If you care to respond to what I wrote, please do, especially if you think that I am being inaccurate or unfair. I do not wish to misrepresent you in any way whatsoever. Pax vobiscum.
Pax vobiscum indeed!
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scar3crow Inside3D Staff Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 837 Location: Las Vegas, NV

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |

This thread is about GPL abuse regarding the Quake engine. If you do not have information pertaining to a specific offense, with evidence and firm citation, please refrain from posting in this thread as it devalues its informative quality. This thread is not to be the hosting ground for any antagonism regarding an individual, even if they are proven to be a GPL violator.
Our concern here is the distribution of content in violation with the GPL, if you do not have relevant objective information on that, please do not bother.
I'd rather not have to use my moderating stick.

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zxcvb Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Posts: 27 |

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |

scar3crow wrote:
This thread is about GPL abuse regarding the Quake engine. If you do not have information pertaining to a specific offense, with evidence and firm citation, please refrain from posting in this thread as it devalues its informative quality. This thread is not to be the hosting ground for any antagonism regarding an individual, even if they are proven to be a GPL violator.
Our concern here is the distribution of content in violation with the GPL, if you do not have relevant objective information on that, please do not bother.
I'd rather not have to use my moderating stick.

OK, fair enough. Should I post the irc logs of leilelol claiming to own the illegal quake then?

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scar3crow Inside3D Staff Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 837 Location: Las Vegas, NV

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |

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Our concern here is the distribution of content in violation with the GPL

Speaking of something on irc regarding possession is not distributing it. Now if he has it on a site, available for download or suggests you can obtain it through him, then it qualifies.
I'm pretty sure the majority of us may possess privately content that violates GPL content, or at some point have. Abuse is concerned with proliferation, and the acceptance of it.

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RenegadeC Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 370 Location: The freezing hell; Canada |

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |

Thanks scar3, couldn't of said it better myself =)

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zxcvb Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Posts: 27 |

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |

Oh ok, I'll take that into consideration, that it's not considered a double standard, to own illegal drugs, for example, but only to distribute them. OK I know where everyone stands now.

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Dr. Shadowborg Inside3D Staff Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 726 |

Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |

And you, my anonymous troll friend seem to have totally missed the entire purpose of this thread in order to focus entirely on your own grudge.

RenegadeC wrote:
Engine authors included here are welcome to discuss and clear up and misunderstanding that may be presented here. THIS IS NOT TO GET ANYONE IN TROUBLE, IT'S PRESENTED AS IS; WHICH IS A DOCUMENT. NOTHING MORE.

And I might add, that providing information in regards to a problem with somebody's project will only generally serve to encourage them to fix said problem that they may not be aware of.
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