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elgms Joined: 11 Jun 2009 Posts: 3 |

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |

I might buy quake if it was redone. But how do you improve perfection? Quake was one of the best games ever made. I do not see any real reason to redo it. After all, look at the butcher job id software did with doom 3.

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Wazat Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 732 Location: Middle 'o the desert, USA |

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:24 am Post subject: |

elgms wrote:
I might buy quake if it was redone. But how do you improve perfection? Quake was one of the best games ever made. I do not see any real reason to redo it. After all, look at the butcher job id software did with doom 3.

I don't see this as an attempt to "improve" Quake1, but as an attempt to install the next chapter in the Quake series. I personally loved the two expansion packs, Scourge of Armagon and Dissolution of Eternity, and would love to see the next chapter in the Quake1 lovecraftian-themed true-to-the-original story. It's not a Quake1 remake, it's a sequel.
The problem with sequels, as you pointed out regarding doom3, is they are often either not done well, or they deviate heavily from their original source to the point that they don't really feel the same. Sometimes they're offensive in their difference.
The final problem with a Q1 sequel is target audience. The hard-core die-hard fans are a small market, and a sequel would need to target a larger group of people to be sufficiently profitable. The results of targeting them would likely turn off the old-school fans who were really looking for an updated extension of what they knew and loved, without it being bastardized. You see this in movies all the time -- I'm just daring someone to make "Yogi Bear -- The Movie". Stuff like that all too often turns off the original fan base, especially if it's done cheaply or by people with pop-culture mentalities. On the other hand, stuff like the Final Fantasy 7 movie have us fanboys drooling, but most other people don't get into it the way we do. I still have to go see Who Watches the Watchmen, even though I never knew anything about the comic.
Conclusion:
While I would love to see a true Quake1 sequel, I'm really not sure it's a good idea. It could end so badly so easily. It would need to be a genuine, true sequel, not a pop-culture squat-down-and-poop-money facade.
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Wazat Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 732 Location: Middle 'o the desert, USA |

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:27 am Post subject: |

BTW, MauveBib in the What mods stick out in your mind thread mentioned that Zerstorer was the closest thing Quake had ever had to a sequel. I loved the mission packs as very enjoyable and well-made sequels. Would anyone recommend Zerstorer along those lines?
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MauveBib Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 602 |

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:36 am Post subject: |

Wazat wrote:
BTW, MauveBib in the What mods stick out in your mind thread mentioned that Zerstorer was the closest thing Quake had ever had to a sequel. I loved the mission packs as very enjoyable and well-made sequels. Would anyone recommend Zerstorer along those lines?

Have you never played it?
Yes, I'd definitely recommend it as a sort of sequel to quake. It has its own gothic feel, but it feels like a more fleshed out quake concept.
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xaGe Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 329 Location: Upstate, New York |

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:57 am Post subject: |

Wazat wrote:
"..I still have to go see Who Watches the Watchmen, even though I never knew anything about the comic. -Wazat

..I worked in a comic book store when the original comic mini series came out. I can tell you the movie stands on it's own with out to much previous story knowledge. If your a fan of darker superhero type books & movies you may like it... I loved it myself.

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Dr. Shadowborg Inside3D Staff Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 726 |

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |

Wazat wrote:
...mentioned that Zerstorer was the closest thing Quake had ever had to a sequel. I loved the mission packs as very enjoyable and well-made sequels. Would anyone recommend Zerstorer along those lines?

Well, aside from the ending (which made me go :/ ), I would say yes. While Zerstorer does have it's own feel and style, it remains very much quake. (I'd also recommend OUM, though it has a similar ending to Zerstorer, and feels a bit less quake...)
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Baker Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1538 |

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject: |

Wazat wrote:
Conclusion: While I would love to see a true Quake1 sequel, I'm really not sure it's a good idea. It could end so badly so easily.

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metalmodman Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Posts: 17 |

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Would you buy Quake One 2? |

I think any fps with a non linear design would be cool

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Wazat Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 732 Location: Middle 'o the desert, USA |

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Would you buy Quake One 2? |

metalmodman wrote:
I think any fps with a non linear design would be cool

I suspect, then, that you would really like Fallout 3. You can more or less go anywhere you want in the world and do whatever. The story isn't even entirely linear. It's totally fine with you skipping some parts (need to find x information in order to find y, but if you stumble upon y on your own then more power to you).
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negke Joined: 16 Apr 2008 Posts: 56 |

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Would you buy Quake One 2? |

Wazat wrote:
It's totally fine with you skipping some parts (need to find x information in order to find y, but if you stumble upon y on your own then more power to you).

Yeah, like I did. Missing out 1/3 of the main quest thanks to my goddamn exploration.
Seriously, though. Non-linear games are good in theory, but I can imagine many people may also consider it a negative trait at the same time. (Like in a Quake map, for example:) If it's strictly linear, everybody is like "meh, no freedom" - if it's totally non-linear, they go "bleh, confusing". So perhaps let's settle for 'less linear' design.

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Wazat Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 732 Location: Middle 'o the desert, USA |

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |

Agreed. Too linear can be too rigid, but not linear enough is often confusing and overwhelming. _________________ When my computer inevitably explodes and kills me, my cat inherits everything I own. He may be the only one capable of continuing my work.

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metalmodman Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Posts: 17 |

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: |

yeah lol I can see that have you tried oblivion elder scrolls maxed out and quit before I got through a fourth of the main story. I think it can be done if you do some thing like metal gear substinence or gta?

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Wazat Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 732 Location: Middle 'o the desert, USA |

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:07 am Post subject: |

metalmodman wrote:
yeah lol I can see that have you tried oblivion elder scrolls maxed out and quit before I got through a fourth of the main story. I think it can be done if you do some thing like metal gear substinence or gta?

Eh? I don't understand what you're saying.
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:27 am Post subject: |

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metalmodman Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Posts: 17 |

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:53 am Post subject: |

Wazat wrote:

metalmodman wrote:
yeah lol I can see that have you tried oblivion elder scrolls maxed out and quit before I got through a fourth of the main story. I think it can be done if you do some thing like metal gear substinence or gta?

Eh? I don't understand what you're saying.

I got sick of elder scrolls after i explored 10% of the map I was indestructible and I think a good example of a non linear design is metal gear solid substinence and zelda 64.

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