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Urre Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 1073 Location: Sweden |

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:50 am Post subject: |

Sajt wrote:
- The model's skin's height is greater than 200px (won't run in DOSQuake)

Aha! I thought this limit found its way into WinQuake too, but I got proven wrong, making me feel very confused, as I couldn't possibly have made this up.
goldenboy: apparently it was only a limit in DOSQuake

Sajt wrote:
Yes, I would be willing to add OBJ support. I would just need a few example OBJ models for testing.

Any willing modelers?
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metlslime Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 177 |

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:16 pm Post subject: |

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"Some more far-fetched major features for later versions: ...Convert MAP files (e.g. the health/ammo pickups) to models."

This would be a great feature for mappers wanting to make more geometric-style models and who have an easier time using their mapping software to make the shapes they want.
It would probably be better to convert from BSP rather than MAP, since BSP won't have any hidden, overlapping, or inter-penetrating surfaces, no t-junctions, and it would probably be easier to convert since all the faces, vertices, and edges already exist.

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Sajt Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 1026 |

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: |

True about the hidden surfaces. But as for difficulty, I already have code to convert a MAP to polygon mesh. The only difficulty will be creating a skin which includes all textures used by the MAP, including tiling them where they repeat... _________________
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ceriux Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 968 Location: Florida, USA |

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |

can i upload this to moddb? _________________ QuakeDB - Quake ModDB Group

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Sajt Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 1026 |

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: |

I would rather you wait until a somewhat more polished release. The next release is coming soon and includes MD2 exporting, and a more friendly viewer. _________________ F. A. Špork, an enlightened nobleman and a great patron of art, had a stately Baroque spa complex built on the banks of the River Labe.

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ceriux Joined: 06 Sep 2008 Posts: 968 Location: Florida, USA |

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:26 am Post subject: |

hmm alright. _________________ QuakeDB - Quake ModDB Group

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Teiman Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 309 |

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: |

I have a stupid idea: make the convertor work from mdl to mdl. and add a -f option that fix all problems magically (texture sizes) and make your rich, interesting and sexy.

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Spirit Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 476 |

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:55 pm Post subject: |

That would be fun. You could run it repeatedly on the same file and use the result as that evil monster from your nightmares. _________________ Quake Maps

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Sajt Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 1026 |

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:56 pm Post subject: |

No, don't worry Spirit, I've been thinking about it - lossless load/save of MDLs. But I was not sure if it should be in the same tool or a different one. It could make the model converter more complicated. In a separate tool there would be some redundant code but it would be similar.
I would be able to fix bad skin sizes, change flags and other simple fields, import/remove skins, as well as do other interesting things like change the overall scale of the model or optimize the skin map (reducing skin size), while being completely lossless as to vertex position quantization.
I should make it clear that the current tool can import/export MDL, but it will probably "drift" the vertex positions by a small amount.
Another note about bad skin sizes: the skin is stored early in the model file, so if the overall skin width times height is not a multiple of four, it throws the alignment of all subsequent integer values out of whack. Such models would probably load on a normal x86 system (but be slow) but would totally crash certain other systems. I could still load such a model safely but it would take extra code to read every field byte by byte and reconstruct the integers. I don't know if there are any models out there with bad skins which would make this effort worthwhile.
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ajay Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 295 Location: Swindon, UK |

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: |

Just tried it out on some md3 map models; really good results, very impressive _________________ my site

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ajay Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 295 Location: Swindon, UK |

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |

Ok I've converted a md3 to mdl and the skin is all squiffy. I've tried conversion with Quick3d, which doesn't result in a squiffy skin, but the model won't run in many engines (fitzquake for one, DP plays it fine) due to the skin being >480.
So I've tried reducing the skin size (but this results in the squiffy skin on the model as with qwalk) I've tried reducing the model size (here's my semi-logical brain missing something relevant) by a corresponding amount (90%) but the skin is still squiffy, which confuses me but there's probably a good reason for it.
Is there a way of solving this ('this' being something I may not have explained too well.
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mh Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Posts: 909 |

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: |

stverts in the mdl format are on the same scale as skin dimensions, so you'll need to rescale those. _________________ DirectQ Engine - New release 1.8.666a, 9th August 2010 MHQuake Blog (General) Direct3D 8 Quake Engines

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ajay Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 295 Location: Swindon, UK |

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: |

Thanks mh, I've fixed it by changing the skin size within QuakeMe rather than exporting/importing. _________________ my site

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dreadlorde Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 86 |

Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: |

Using the latest svn revision (80), I get the following errors when trying to compile qwalk:

Code:
gcc -g -MD -Wall -pedantic -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -c -o v_font.o v_font.c gcc -g -MD -Wall -pedantic -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -c -o viewer.o viewer.c gcc -o viewer anorms.o image.o image_jpeg.o image_pcx.o image_tga.o matrix.o model.o model_md2.o model_md3.o model_mdl.o util.o v_font.o viewer.o -g -lm -ldl -lGL -lSDL -lpthread
model_md2.o: In function `model_md2_save':
/home/!@#$/src/proj/qwalk-svn/model_md2.c:746: undefined reference to `palette_quake2'
model_mdl.o: In function `model_mdl_load':
/home/!@#$/src/proj/qwalk-svn/model_mdl.c:471: undefined reference to `palette_quake'
/home/!@#$/src/proj/qwalk-svn/model_mdl.c:479: undefined reference to `palette_quake'
/home/!@#$/src/proj/qwalk-svn/model_mdl.c:480: undefined reference to `palette_quake'
/home/!@#$/src/proj/qwalk-svn/model_mdl.c:481: undefined reference to `palette_quake'
/home/!@#$/src/proj/qwalk-svn/model_mdl.c:487: undefined reference to `palette_quake'
model_mdl.o:/!@#$/jake/src/proj/qwalk-svn/model_mdl.c:488: more undefined references to `palette_quake' follow
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[1]: *** [viewer_] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/!@#$/src/proj/qwalk-svn'
make: *** [viewer] Error 2

There's also a lot of warnings, I can post them too if you think it would help.
Anyone else have this problem? I'm using gcc-4.3.3.
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Sajt Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 1026 |

Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:57 pm Post subject: |

Dang... I forgot to include palettes.o in the makefile. That's fixed. As for the warnings, they're all "value computed is not used", which is really annoying but I'm not sure if it can be disabled without disabling a bunch more warnings. All the warnings are triggered by my kind of sneaky way of returning descriptive errors from functions in one line of code. If I ever implemented a better error handling system (using setjmp/longjmp) these warnings would disappear. Once real life cools down I'll take a look at that.
Also, if you are any good at computers and whatnot, maybe you can rewrite the makefile! I know absolutely nothing about makefiles, and I think mine is a piece of crap (and it doesn't load dependencies either).
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