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Baker



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Upgrade the Quake Wiki? Reply with quote

Please don't take offense at this, but I just wanted to raise the idea of whether or not the Quake Wiki should be upgraded to a more modern wiki.

I don't know how many entries there are in the Quake Wiki, but I would be among the list of people willing to help copy/paste and format stuff if the Quake Wiki were upgraded to, say, MediaWiki.

Although I am sure it was the best Wiki available back at the time, the limitations and presentation of the Wiki seems very limiting by today's standards.

I also think the colors are hard to read. As bland as white is, it is really easy to read and brown isn't.

I appreciate all of the effort put into the Wiki but it really needs an overhaul.

/Please don't kill me, but I feel much better saying this because I have felt this for a long time but didn't want to offend anyone. The Quake Wiki feels to me like it is in a state of disrepair.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wiki has useful information, but is also a mess.

I like the color scheme, but it isn't as easy to read as black on white is.

The thing is, its even more in a state of inactivity. The community is much smaller, the people who would be reading it, already know the information on it, to be honest.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar3crow wrote:
The thing is, its even more in a state of inactivity. The community is much smaller, the people who would be reading it, already know the information on it, to be honest.

Actually, I think people don't know quite how much information is on it. It's crazy how much is on there, and I find new (to me) information on there from time to time. I just don't visit it enough, and I think more people should know about it.
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leileilol



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wiki software is good as it is. We don't need it 'mediawiki'd.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But we do need it to be more accessable...
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm having a little Google search term battle with Wikipedia over the term "quake wikipedia". I don't think I'm doing too badly, although out-right beating the search term juggernaut Wikipedia would be difficult. I'm 3rd so far on Yahoo (yeah, like that means anything), however Google itself has not currently spidered the page.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=quake+wikipedia&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&vc=&fp_ip=UK

I'll spare you guys my frivolous Wikipedia rant. It's on my site if you are bored. I was thinking that eventually, when I've had my fun with this Wikipedia editor ( ReyBrujo ), I would make my quake wikipedia page a straight link to Quake Wiki. However after some thought this is a really dumb idea after pissing off some Wikipedia zelots. I will eventually just delete it.

Anyhoo, Quake Wiki could probably just do with a few pictures. I wouldn't say it was in any way broken, just a little dull looking. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Megazoid - I had a similar, much shorter experience with the mission pack entries

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quake_Mission_Pack%3A_Scourge_of_Armagon&diff=123504305&oldid=114479496
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quake_Mission_Pack_2%3A_Dissolution_of_Eternity&diff=123504467&oldid=114647251

I'm not the greatest article writer ever, but I love how the article wasnt a stub until they removed my changes and shortened it to a paragraph.

...Nevermind that afaik, rotating brushes and exploding brushes arent engine changes but rather quakec changes...
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.float gravity in armagon is an engine change though
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

/me slaps scar3crow with http://wiki.quakesrc.org/index.php/hipnotic and http://wiki.quakesrc.org/index.php/rogue

Please put that stuff you wrote in there. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Megazoid wrote:
I'll spare you guys my frivolous Wikipedia rant. It's on my site if you are bored. I was thinking that eventually, when I've had my fun with this Wikipedia editor ( ReyBrujo ), I would make my quake wikipedia page a straight link to Quake Wiki. However after some thought this is a really dumb idea after pissing off some Wikipedia zelots.


http://www.quaketerminus.com/wikipedia/quake.htm

Great analysis, thanks for sharing.

I noticed someone @ Wikipedia deleted the table showing the maps/authors list.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And they still have that stupid soundtrack listing with useless info like which episode1 map it was used on, and the made up names for them...
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't like the theme you can always change it in the preferences. I also usually link into http://wiki.quakesrc.org/plain.php when I link due to the niceness of plainness. The site design was Adiemus's and I think it's fairly nice.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spirit - What and change your beautiful entries? ; )

Baker - Yup, and Romero said that list was actually accurate. It needs to be on there for the sake of proper credit of work.

I like how this thread is simultaneously The People At Wikipedia Are Condescending Presumptuous Snobs, and also still on topic.
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Baker



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scar3crow wrote:
I like how this thread is simultaneously The People At Wikipedia Are Condescending Presumptuous Snobs, and also still on topic.


I noticed the links get nuked a few months ago. I thought it was annoying, and noticed later you re-adding them (which I guess were recently deleted).

I guess history and what is important is decided by the gatekeepers Wink

@ FrikaC: I think the theme of the wiki is a great fit, I didn't know you could change the colors in the preferences. One strong plus of the wiki is the navigation is easy.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baker - Well, as Megazoid pointed out, wikipedia with its no follow system leads to an internet dead end. I consider this to be contrary with the concept of a free flow of information - particularly with such dogmatic gatekeepers. I will continue to use wikipedia, but I don't think I'm going to link to it again - and I'm not going to donate at any given point either.
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