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Posted by Shambler [210.86.110.54] on 2003/04/20 04:46:48

Hi all. Some of you may remember me. I`ve been away for a little while (metaphorically and literally). Upon my return home I`m going to try to get back into gaming a bit....in the meantime I`ve got questions.
Now, I`m wondering, what has happened in the last 8 months or so?? I see QMap has....got a different name =). What else??
What games have been cool or are looking cool?? What should I be looking out for??
I see that U2 and UT2 have been released....my god companies are actually releasing games these days. And C&C Generals and Impossible Creatures and... And then I`ve seen you lot posting about Enclave which sounds bloody great - anyone drawing any comparisons to the mighty Severance/Blade yet??
Any views on these games?? I`d like to hear from nitin and other such people who try plenty of different games...
Anything interesting happening in mapping?? Gossip, scandal, that sort of thing?? Anyone mapping for new games?? Any interesting developments??
Oh yeah and go ahead and discuss this stuff hmmm...

Vondur Is Pregnant
#1 posted by metlslime [207.111.214.194] on 2003/04/20 05:58:51
Hmm
#2 posted by nonentity [62.6.126.112] on 2003/04/20 07:10:42
U2 is shit, UT2k3 is slightly less shit (slightly). Dont bother with either of them (unless you want to look at the pretty graphics).
C&C Generals was OK, although nothing new. I prefered Warcraft III myself.
Splinter Cell if you havent played it would be a good choice.
Oh, and Doom III got leaked (at least, last years E3 demo did).
Well...
#3 posted by Paul [213.120.108.95] on 2003/04/20 08:06:51
Hey Shambler, nice to see you`re back.
Unreal2 was a big let down. Graphically it was good but the rest wasn`t up to much. Some of the level design was interesting, but the game had nothing to do with the original and should have been given a different name. Gameplay was just standard shoot and find the exit stuff.
UT2K3 was ok but it was more of merging of different games than anything. It got very tiresome after a while. Some nice levels though, looks wise anyway.
I didn`t think much of C&C Generals. It didn`t add much over what they`d done before. Impossible Creatures was interesting, but didn`t grab me. Warcraft 3 was definitely better.
Splinter Cell is a poor mans Metal Gear Solid, except without all the long cut scenes. I played it on XBox and got bored of it very quickly.
To be perfectly honest PC games in general over the last 8 months haven`t been up to much as far as I`m concerned, which is part of the reason why I`ve switched to playing more console games. Only PC game I`ve really played a lot of (other than War3) is BattleField 1942. That`s how bad things have gotten.
Hmm
#4 posted by nonentity [62.6.126.112] on 2003/04/20 08:25:14
I played it on PC, and prefered it to MGS (especially MGS2).
Tenchu 3 beats them both though :)
As Paul said, PC gaming has got kinda lame recently
Shambler
#5 posted by nitin [61.9.128.172] on 2003/04/20 10:03:49
havent tried out too many different games myself since my PC cant run most of the newer stuff.
Last few things I played were warcraft III and NOLF2. Both very good IMHO, warcraft II mixes some RPG elements, a reasonable narrative and RTS quite well. Well worth trying, I dont like RTS games but warcraft III drew me in.
NOLF2 is excellent IMHO, its taken the best bits from NOLF 1 and improved the level design & gameplay a lot more.
Prior to that, I played SOF2 which sucks balls apart from 1 or 2 missions, I would avoid it though. Jedi Knight II is quite good if you havent played it, just stick with it for the first 8 levels or so, it gets a lot better when you get a lightsaber.
Apart from that, some killer quake SP maps have been released during that time and also Xidia part 2 (http://www.planetunreal.com/phala... if you still have UT installed.
hope that helps.
Ah Yes
#6 posted by Paul [217.41.30.228] on 2003/04/20 11:37:23
NOLF2 is good. Well the demos were. I never got around to the full game. If you liked the original then it should be the same for the sequel.
Heh
#7 posted by underworldfan [172.199.250.32] on 2003/04/20 12:22:09
i opened a Q1SP review site. ;)
http://www.planetquake.com/underwo...
Shambler Vs The Killer Beetles
#8 posted by cyBeAr [213.65.179.30] on 2003/04/20 13:39:37
I have never actually worked on it but now that you are back maybe I should?
Bleh
#9 posted by Vondur [213.247.187.250] on 2003/04/20 14:15:47
shambler is back, bah, that`s scandal already!
well, indeed, u2 sucks, ut2003 is very nice, but nothing compares to qw gameplay.
playng enclave, its ok, but not that good due to rather boring gameplay. but there are nice designs and sharp textures.
playing splinter cell, good if u like stealth combat, proper usage of u2 engine there.
playing syberia - very sweet quest, good story and looks.
got devastation, just playing through the first map, looks/plays very nice, reminds hl by designs, and gameplay is just as usual fps, more of arcade side (no pistol recoil, etc) proper usage of u2 engine.
just started postal 2 - the game for morons who like silly jokes :) poor usage of u2 engine, bad leveldesign and that jokes, uh.
hmm, there are more games i`ve got but didn`t started playing them yet.
and now, tell where have you been? it`s really interesting, cuz u seems been away from the keyboard for such a long time :)
and go resurrect tsqlr already, bastid!
Reincarnation
#10 posted by inertia [24.164.68.200] on 2003/04/20 14:19:17
bwdm1
Reincarnation
#11 posted by inertia [24.164.68.200] on 2003/04/20 14:21:06
bwdm1
Inertia
#12 posted by R.P.G. [24.136.233.196] on 2003/04/20 14:39:44
I believe Shambler was only refering to things that have indeed happened, and not things that may or may not happen in the future.
Hmm
#13 posted by nonentity [62.7.149.175] on 2003/04/20 15:06:02
I didnt really like Devastation, looks nice, but the gameplay was fairly dull. Thats the MP though, havent tried the SP yet.
Postal 2 is appalling. It doesnt even do the mindless violence well, and if violence is your only selling point, its got to be well done.
Grand Theft Auto 3
#14 posted by R.P.G. [24.136.233.196] on 2003/04/20 16:35:05
GTA3 is the best game since Pong.
Err, well it`s a tops game, regardless.
:/
#15 posted by underworldfan [172.193.238.247] on 2003/04/20 17:04:31
pong sucks.
Yes Well
#16 posted by R.P.G. [24.136.233.196] on 2003/04/20 17:22:27
Regardless of your feelings on Pong, it is supposedly the first game created, so I was effectively saying that GTA3 was the best game of all time.
Rpg
#17 posted by underworldfan [172.192.235.26] on 2003/04/20 18:49:31
ok.
Ummmm...
#18 posted by Maric [151.196.34.13] on 2003/04/20 19:04:56
Q2 anybody?
I agree on what has been said about U2 and UT2K3 and can only add *YAWN!* to the previous comments.
Sadly it seems that consoles are the only interesting option for "loner" gameplay nowadays, that is sans the occasional Quake SP that comes from this lot. There just are not that many new releases in the Quake scene anymore =(.
Teh Shambler!
#19 posted by nanoSpawn [62.43.42.109] on 2003/04/20 20:42:13
uhm, Shambler, go and get Mafia. Its more a racing game than anything else, but graphics are stunning, and goes one step beyond GTA3.
And please, come back #tf and slap us all!!
I Thought...
#20 posted by metlslime [207.111.214.194] on 2003/04/20 20:56:36
...that spacewar was the first [computer] game.
Also...
#21 posted by metlslime [207.111.214.194] on 2003/04/20 20:58:23
metroid prime was pretty cool. And the gamecube zelda sequel just came out -- haven't played it yet, though.
Also, the pimp icon arrived!
Is It Going To Force Me To Double-post??
#22 posted by Shambler [203.97.2.243] on 2003/04/21 00:35:53
Well?
Or Not...
#23 posted by Shambler [203.97.2.243] on 2003/04/21 00:39:10
...at all
Fucksake
#24 posted by Mr Fribbles [150.101.221.100] on 2003/04/21 00:43:30
board just ate my long-ass post (probably the apostophe bug... right?)
Well that certainly eats dick. I couldnt be fucked typing it again. I understand that its not necessarily your fault, metl, but it still eats dick.
Yes It Does.
#25 posted by metlslime [207.111.214.194] on 2003/04/21 00:49:20
Fjfjhj
#26 posted by Shambler [203.97.2.242] on 2003/04/21 00:52:47
What a coincidence. Frib appears just as I wrote about him, and ate his long-ass posts just as it`s eating mine.
FRIBBLE MUH GIBBLE
#27 posted by . [172.141.37.99] on 2003/04/21 00:56:28
yo, I want to interview you @ Pherrous...
http://pherrous.phaitaccompli.com
contact me! Kthxbye
Reply 1.
#28 posted by Shambler [203.97.2.242] on 2003/04/21 00:57:07
Thanks for all your comments and advice....it seems Vondur is taking over as the new multi-game master =).
Games...
U2 - yes I`ve heard and read as much. I think I`ll get it anyway. Paul, your comment about U2 sounds fair - but exactly what people were saying about Quake2 after Quake1...
UT2 - I`m going to try that out soon....but I`ve heard that it`s a bit more, ummm, Q3A-ish gameplay, but also that it has lots of consol-esque trick manouveres already built in. Comments?
C&C - didn`t really interest me but I was just suprised it got out so quick. Impossible Creatures did interest me...
WC3 - seems damn popular, it`s what everyone is playing multiplayer around here (where?). I don`t like the zoomed in and cartoony looks myself.
Splinter Cell - looks too real-life for me. I can cope with Deus Ex and RTCW but nothing more civilised than that =). Same goes for NOLF2.
Enclave - I`m sure I`m going to try this anyway. There aren`t enough proper fantasy games around....oh, has anyone else apart from Aard tried Gothic2 yet??
Devastation - what is it? (checks http://www.tothegame.com/ oh I see sorta ummm DeusEx-lite or something?)
Racing games no thanks...
Reply 2.
#29 posted by Shambler [203.97.2.242] on 2003/04/21 00:58:01
People...
metslime - I did guess that about Vondur. It makes sense that he`s trying to get a wider gaming experience so he can be a better mother. Thanks for the forum BTW....would be even better if it let me post =). Or maybe that`s a deliberate feature??
Paul & grindy - cheers. Sorry I`m not going to sink so low and debase myself by buying a console :P. At the rate I`m playing games, 1 good PC game a year will be enough =).
Nitin - cheers. My PC won`t either - yet. I`m still working in MHZ lol. Time to upgrade soon. What`s Xidia part1 BTW?? I probably don`t have time for custom maps though....but out of interest is anyone making any for U2??
underworldfan - who hasn`t :P.
Vondur - god you`ve been playing enough. What`s syberia?? Me, I`ve just been away for a bit.
inertia & RPG - ROFL.
Maric - what about Q2, out of interest?? Aside from that it was a great game...
Thx everyone else too. Oh and congrats to the taller-in-real-life Frib.
Just Quickly
#30 posted by Mr Fribbles [203.26.14.3] on 2003/04/21 01:06:42
One game I think everyone should try is Dungeon Siege. Download the demo and check it out - the demo will give you enough of a taste of the game for you to decide whether youll like it or not. Its a beautiful and immersive game though, I reckon.
Shambler
#31 posted by nitin [61.9.128.173] on 2003/04/21 01:19:08
xidia is probably the equal best Unreal/Ut sp mod IMHO along with ONP. Well worth getting if you have the time, the level design is stunning!
As for NOLF2, it really isnt all that realistic and plus it has cool characters like Mime killers with tommyguns and Box guards (yep, guards turned into boxes jumping around after you). Plus it really is a very solid game.
Oh
#32 posted by R.P.G. [24.136.233.196] on 2003/04/21 01:19:37
A bit old (from 2000) but Blair Witch Volume 1: Rustin Par is worth checking out if you can find it.
Shambler
#33 posted by Vondur [213.247.187.250] on 2003/04/21 01:36:52
http://www.syberia.info/
Yes, you been away, and as usual not a word where exactly ;) sigh.
U2 Custom Maps
#34 posted by Abyss [203.51.235.244] on 2003/04/21 03:14:41
I played one recently, It was One of the most scary levels I`ve ever played.
If you like walking endlessly through dark tunnels, you`ll love this ;) Not much else to do, but it is dark. Action, well, there must be some there somewhere, in all that darkness.
Oh,....... the scary bit, almost forgot, at the end text comes up that says
"To Be Continued".
God I hope not, Beleive me, thats a truely scary thought.
So do not forget to give it a try, that is unless you`ve got some paint to watch dry.
Screenshots
http://planetunreal.com/tygra/AlSh...
Download
http://www.fileplanet.com/dl.aspx?...
I wouldn`t waste your money on U2, it really is CRAP, I`m trying things that come out for it to try and get a bit more out of it for the $100 that I payed for it, but, I think it is beyond help. UT2003 IMO, looks better, is better,(although MP as apposed to SP,but.....) it`s not a bad game
Shambler
#35 posted by Paul [217.41.30.228] on 2003/04/21 05:51:02
UT2K3 does have lots of trick manouveres but I`m crap bastard and can`t do them very well. Someone else would probably give a better explanation.
For Impossible Creatures try the demo. Its timing was too close to War3 and since I was into that at the time, it never really got a look in.
We`ve had the PC/Console argument before, so I thought I was pushing it even mentioning them.
Theres a few of us on #tf that play War3 on Battle Net. If you`re interested pop in some time.
Also Frib is right about Dungeon Siege. I was impressed by how slick the demo was, but didn`t get the full game because at the time I didn`t have enough grunt to run it properly.
Well
#36 posted by Maric [151.196.34.13] on 2003/04/21 06:26:56
Nothing about Q2 in particular, its still my first love I guess (games-wise of course). Just giving it a nod and a wink.
I Agree
#37 posted by H-Hour [12.252.47.32] on 2003/04/21 07:01:41
about dungeon siege. The hack and slash can get a bit tiring but I really liked the environments. Its the first RPG Ive played all the way through in years. Story sucks though... I cant even remember it, just that it was barely even there.
I also downloaded the Enclave demo after hearing about it here. It was alright for the demo, but I dont think it could hold my attention for long.
Hmm
#38 posted by nonentity [80.47.207.25] on 2003/04/21 07:46:36
The UT2k3 trick jumps consist of hitting the movement/jump keys in the right order. Most of them are in the manual, with the exception of the boost jump (iirc) which is side-jump-side and is a distance jump.
The gameplay on 2k3 is good up to a point, but then it (as with Q3) hits a point where you realise there is no more, and unfortunately that is quite early on :/
Weapons are overall better than UT in terms of balance, with the exception of the flak cannon, which is a spam fest...
UT2k3 is merely an average game, U2 is (beyond the graphics) a bad game (although that is just my opinion).
Dungeon Siege I liked, whether youll enjoy it or not basically boils down to whether you enjoyed Diablo (imo).
Enclave Ive only played the demo, looks pretty but the gameplay got tired quite fast for me (as the man/light certainly, the archer women/dark side was more interesting).
Oh, and on a more (apostrophe)community(apostrophe) related note, than and I now work with Pingu :)
Wtf About Console Games
#39 posted by daftpunk [62.98.84.159] on 2003/04/21 07:57:58
what games are really good and might make one leave the pc for a couple hours?
gimme some titles and i"ll have a look if some friends of mine lemme try them.
Ok Daftpunk
#40 posted by Paul [217.41.30.228] on 2003/04/21 09:10:18
Gamecube : Zelda, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Zero, Super Mario Sunshine.
XBox : Halo, Project Gotham Racing.
PS2 : GTA3, GTA Vice City.
Thats just off the top of my head, stuff Ive been playing (well except Zelda, thats out this month). If I was being honest, FPS games dont do anything for me anymore. They havent added anything new in years. Some offer new ideas but nothing that excites me enough.
Oh yeah, one PC game I forgot. Age Of Mythology. I cant believe Vondur didnt mention it, the crazy Russian was playing it for long enough. Now that is a really good strategy game.
Healey Is Right Indeed
#41 posted by Vondur [195.128.65.237] on 2003/04/21 09:40:13
age of mythology rocked my world
only rts game i`m addicted to
Shamber Doesnt Play Console Games
#42 posted by starbuck [80.192.126.111] on 2003/04/21 09:42:54
Btw
#43 posted by Vondur [195.128.65.237] on 2003/04/21 09:42:55
there will be `raise of nations` released soon.
it uses AOM`s engine, but there you`re developing from the stone age to some blaster-schmaster sci-fi age.
can`t wait for it as well.
Hey Shambler
#44 posted by Drannerz [213.1.45.14] on 2003/04/21 09:47:32
I dunno if you want to know about Quake DM over the past eight months. But if you do here`s what`s happened:
...THE BAD:
Not much.
-Religion Quake (our awesome php, postable, message board, MPQ-replacement, review site) came within inches of being finished. But then our lead web monkey died, or moved, or something horrible and no work has been done on it since. which is a shame.
-PQ Q1 lotw (DM and SP). like anyone cares anyway (including me). hasn`t been updated for about a year. DaZ has assumed complete control of the reviews. He did one DM review about a month ago and hasn`t done anything since.
Hey Shambler
#45 posted by Drannerz [213.1.45.14] on 2003/04/21 09:52:00
...THE GOOD:
-But there have been and will be some releases.
Vondur released Uzuldaroum (also available for Q3) which is very nice. Although I haven`t been able to play it against real people yet it looks fun. Lovely theme and architecture.
Myself, DaZ and the mighty Frib pulled our underpants high and linked hands to create a power trio of DM mappers. utilising this energy we all have beta`s in testing:
-DaZ`s map (currently called "Blood, Sweat and Piss", and not indended as part of DaZ`s Chemical Reaction map pack) is an old skool affiar. Simple brush work, large layout.
-Frib`s map I haven`t seen yet cos the dcc fucked itself. But apparently it`s also of an old skool nature.
-My map is DranzDM8 (currently titled "Teardrop"). It`s an unusual design; a kind of coagular map set in rock. it`s small and very open with a ridiculous weapon load given its size. RPG described the detail as `subtle` and biff says it`s ready to release.
The above three should be out within a month.
Hope this has all been hopeful Shambler. And sorry if I`ve missed out any important contributions to the scene.
Lo Shamblah
#46 posted by Auhsan [62.82.212.161] on 2003/04/21 16:30:47
Try enclave, It is worth for the design alone. Top notch textures and nice level design (not the over-detailed shit of this days). It is a bit poor on gameplay sometimes.
For rts try war3, at least the mp is pretty fun.
And go back to #tf british pigdog!
Well Fuck Me
#47 posted by DaZ [212.159.37.183] on 2003/04/21 20:12:26
absurdly long and detailed post lost by site, arb arb arb. Hey Shambler!
In Reply To #47
#48 posted by Shambler [210.86.111.28] on 2003/04/22 01:49:15
> absurdly long and detailed post lost by site, arb arb arb.
Well not much of a surprise there!
More Replyness..
#49 posted by Shambler [210.86.111.28] on 2003/04/22 04:13:01
Dungeon Siege - ah yes, I`d been following that a bit. The one with pack donkeys, right?? Looked quite cool, might have to try it out. How focused is it on exploration and developement compared to combat?
Nitin - sorry probably don`t have the time. I`m WELL behind on games let alone maps!
Vondur - let`s say I`ve been away in the cold and dark forests, would that make you happy? =).
Paul - heh. To you and grindy - how do UT2`s tricks affect the gameplay?? Fun or not?
Grindy - congrats on working with Pingu (I think). Do you and than live with him and cuddle up at night as well?
Drannzerz - thanks for the mapping info. Heh it`s fun reading about Vondur`s maps, everything is inspired by dark nights and evil weather =). It`s some feat to drag fribbles back into mapping. Is anyone outside our (your?) little community and zzzzjzzzz`s server playing these maps?
Shambler
#50 posted by Vondur [195.128.65.237] on 2003/04/22 05:01:23
oi! jsut tell me what forests! of course that makes me happy! oh!
Some More Questions (sorry!)
#51 posted by Shambler [210.86.111.28] on 2003/04/22 05:04:31
Websites and the scene....
Is GSN still striving to be the global McGamingSite? I see they`ve introduced annoying intermediary pages and foul over-the-top ads....lovely.
How`s this scene`s standing and status within the overall gaming scene. Is GSN (and/or others) giving qmap.celephais.org.net the credit it deserves? Are we (you?) attracting mappers from other games? Is it still very Quake focused?
Is there any interesting scandal/gossip within the scene or indeed without?
Aside from nitin mentioning Xidia, have there been any other interesting non-Quake maps? Anyone from here making them?
Ummmm....anything of interest really...
Von...
#52 posted by Shambler [210.86.111.28] on 2003/04/22 05:05:30
Sorry I was lying =(.
Bad Shambler.
Sigh
#53 posted by Vondur [195.128.65.237] on 2003/04/22 05:06:43
you`re still the same bastid indeed!
Shambler
#54 posted by nitin [61.9.128.171] on 2003/04/22 05:21:02
operation vorsichtig for RTCW by tef johs (http://www.itea.ntnu.no/~torej/wo...
Fuck
#55 posted by nitin [61.9.128.171] on 2003/04/22 05:21:20
http://www.itea.ntnu.no/~torej/wol...
Hmmm,
#56 posted by Abyss [203.51.230.120] on 2003/04/22 05:32:42
"interesting non-Quake maps?"
Isn`t that a contradiction in terms?
An oxymoron perhaps? ;)
Although it is yet to be released, this looks/sounds promising, it`s a SP TC for UT2003.
http://outofhell.bp6.com/
Upcoming Stuff
#57 posted by nitin [61.9.128.172] on 2003/04/22 06:18:10
well there`s this promising looking mod for U2 : http://www.napaliheaven.com/
Erm...
#58 posted by Gom Jabbar [212.93.3.169] on 2003/04/22 06:45:09
... seems like I'm the only one who hasn't said "HI SHAMB!" yet.
So... uhm... Hi Shambler?
Nice to see you back!
Shamb
#59 posted by wrath [195.58.111.103] on 2003/04/22 10:33:02
just buy a fucking gamecube and get it over with.
also, halo for xbox has damn good co-op.
Hell-o
#60 posted by Killes [212.53.112.88] on 2003/04/22 12:06:21
Lo shambler :P
come to teh #tf damnit!
Yes, Shambler
#61 posted by R.P.G. [24.136.232.28] on 2003/04/22 13:55:43
Come back to #terrafusion. I`ll even give you ops so you can kick Killes.
Hmm
#62 posted by nonentity [213.120.56.37] on 2003/04/22 13:57:48
Yeah GSI is still trying to be uber-god-site-nazis, now with extra adverts :/
No. I live in a pit in the ground. Than lives in a house afaik.
The 2k3 trick jumps are kewl for close up 1on1 fighting if you can do them well, otherwise, theyre just a way to get from place to place.
And yeah, if you want good games, get a console.
As for func_qmap, its a small backwater full of people who dont map :)
Nonentity
#63 posted by Vondur [213.247.187.250] on 2003/04/22 14:31:55
i DO map, bastard! :)
Haha GSN
#64 posted by DaZ [212.159.41.105] on 2003/04/22 16:14:15
Dunno if you left before or after this shambler, but you now need to PAY gsn to download from fileplanet without waiting in horrendous queues! Dont you just love it.
Re Dungeon Siege
#65 posted by H-Hour [12.252.47.32] on 2003/04/22 17:40:19
Exploration is a little weak. Other than a few dungeons that have a few multiple paths, its quite linear. Also, I kept looking for little side things of interest, searching the edges and stuff, but there werent that many secret areas.
Development is pretty big, but characters are pretty limited. Its basically attack magic, healing magic, archer, swordsmen. Nothing that interesting. You can combine skills, but that just makes your guy too weak to be decent in either one.
Combat is where all the interesting gameplay is. Its hack and slash, hack and slash, hack and slash. I enjoyed it, and working with a diverse party in real time was quite fun. As I said earlier, it can get a little old because the levels are large, linear and overpopulated with enemies, but it is fun.
I had hoped for a little more interesting character and story development, and would have appreciated a slightly quicker pace to the game, but the actual play was engaging and fun. The atmosphere was very well done (if only theyd used it for a great story!). So yeah, that should cover it.
Daz
#66 posted by wrath [217.211.83.31] on 2003/04/22 17:41:54
yeah! pr3ach on brother!
fuck them for not giving away stuff completely free. fuck them hard. fuck them sideways till monday. damn their hides. terrorists! the lot of them!
long live Linus Torvalds, L1NUX RULZ! M$ SAWKZ! GAMESPY EATS BABIES!
Information wants to be freeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Drama?
#67 posted by Scampie [66.231.198.47] on 2003/04/22 17:46:52
ha... yes... Im owner of #tf after bribing Bal with a stuffed animal. hows that for scandal?
btw... if you think its bad that metlslime coded the site to eat your posts, he also made it impossible for me to login!
And So On...
#68 posted by Shambler [210.86.110.13] on 2003/04/23 03:15:34
Those upcoming U2 and UT2 projects - don`t look especially good so far IMHO. But thanks for the links.
Gom & Killes - cheers.
Wrath - go bathe in manjuice.
Grindy - >>No. I live in a pit in the ground. Than lives in a house afaik.<<
Hahaha - is the pit in Than`s garden?
Daz - oh yeah I was around when their 1337 service started. But as a GSN whore myself I think I had better access or something...
H-Hour - thanks for that information. I will have to look into it more and give the demo (if there is one) a try. I`ve been intrigued by the coop idea...
Scampie - >>he also made it impossible for me to login!<<
See it`s obviously deliberate!
And finally, consoles...
I note with interest the amount of games Paul was recommending for each console. About 3 each wasn`t it?? Not, IMHO, a lot. (BTW, didn`t you miss out Mechassault?? I thought that looked great). If I could do a purely personal list of recentish games for another gaming system...
PC - UT, WOT, FAKK2, Battlezone2, Undying, Alice, RTCW, Mechcommander2, Mechwarrior4, AVP2, Deus Ex.
(and that`s not counting some good stuff I`ve demoed - Giants, Sacrifice, Ground Control, nor any games from 2002/2003, nor any other game genres....hmmm)
Shambler
#69 posted by wrath [195.58.111.103] on 2003/04/23 03:38:39
ut, wot, alice, deus ex...
recentish?
what are you, an antediluvian?
Hmm
#70 posted by nonentity [62.189.9.170] on 2003/04/23 08:05:03
Oh yeah, D3 got leaked as well.
Hmm
#71 posted by nonentity [62.189.9.170] on 2003/04/23 08:06:07
And you think Than lets me near his house?
Btw
#72 posted by Killes [212.53.107.44] on 2003/04/23 09:39:05
"PS2 : GTA3, GTA Vice City."
yes yes! go buy a ps2 to play games that are on pc!!!!! ................tardage
aides from that theres a fair of other good games that have been released 2002 that arent cited here, in other genres etc
Re Ground Control
#73 posted by H-Hour [12.252.47.32] on 2003/04/23 10:04:32
I bought that game after playing the demo. The vehicles and weapons effects and stuff looked awesome. Particularly the artillery and planes were really cool. But once you get artillery, the game gets extremely repetitive. It basically becomes: place your artillery within range, watch the missiles fly; move your artillery, watch the missiles fly. I played about 2 of these missions and got bored. There are 30 missions (of which I only played 15 because of a bug that prevented me from going further, which the company never did fix as of the last time I bothered playing the game). I just found no use of tactics in the game. I prefer games that give you a myriad of strategies to employ.
Btw
#74 posted by Killes [212.53.107.44] on 2003/04/23 10:10:06
"PS2 : GTA3, GTA Vice City."
yes yes! go buy a ps2 to play games that are on pc!!!!! ................tardage
aides from that theres a fair of other good games that have been released 2002 that arent cited here, in other genres etc
Cool...
#75 posted by bascule [134.146.9.19] on 2003/04/23 11:01:20
a double post 30 minutes apart :)
How did that happen?
Bascule...lol
#76 posted by underworldfan [172.199.59.207] on 2003/04/23 13:22:18
he has a VERY slow modem?
Tardage Indeed
#77 posted by starbuck [80.192.126.111] on 2003/04/23 14:23:41
just kidding :)
Hey Shambler
#78 posted by Wazat [144.38.206.24] on 2003/04/23 17:37:50
I like the 2 discussions you`ve started.
8 months` events as Wazat sees them:
Several nice quake1 single player maps have been released in the past few months, and I`m enjoying them. I can give you a list of names if you like (though I might be pressed to find a download).
My real passion is deathmatch, especially in my mod Jeht: http://static.condemned.com/downlo...
</shameless plug>
Warcraft 3 was a flop in my opinion. The single player was decent, but I completely failed to become interested in its multiplayer. Mostly because all of its gameplay seems centered around building your heros to level 9 and then attacking. :(
I just know I`m gonna get flamed for that one... ;0
I`ve been playing Soldat recently, and it`s a total blast! Imagine combining Scorched Earth and Quake deathmatch....
I`ve enjoyed Unreal Tournament a great deal, but haven`t tried any mods or custom maps for it. Odd...
I did not like UT2003 at all. Everything from the human voices to the rediculous announcer to removing Assault to the simple lack of interesting or non-ugly environments. The textures "seemed" low-res, even though they weren`t. The gameplay seemed slow. The weapons were pretty and cool but all the levels in the demo just weren`t interesting to me.
I just know I`m gonna get flamed for that one too. ;)
QExpo (quake1) is approaching. It`s scheduled for late June or early July. It`d be great to have a map reviewer such as yourself holding a booth, as we`re expecting some good quake1 sp and dm maps to come our way, as well as a bunch of mods. But you may feel quake1 is old. *shrugs*
*This concludes Wazat`s list of things that are interesting from the past 8 months. Everything not listed is either irrelavent, or not traumatic enought to impress itself into his memory.
;)
Wazat
#79 posted by Abyss [203.51.197.36] on 2003/04/23 18:41:21
In UT2003, you can shut the announcer and other voices up, and they have released an assault mod.
Textures, if you are talking about the demo ("levels in the demo just ") the textures were of a lower quality than in the final game, for the sake of the demo file size.
Seemingly slow gameplay, can`t help you with that, although play Unreal2 for a while, and then play UT2003 and you`ll feel like you are on steroids ;)
Levels in the demo, while they were among my favorites in the full game, depending on personal preference, there are better ones, the bonus packs do contain some good maps. plus there are "some" good custom maps coming out. On the subject of levels, the final level in UT2003 would have to be the worst level I have ever seen, it is pathetic.
I prefer Quake myself (any of the Quakes) but UT2003 is still a blast
Yea, I Prefer Quake Too.
#80 posted by Wazat [144.38.206.24] on 2003/04/23 18:46:30
UT2003 just wasn`t my thing, I guess.
The voices and such that they choose for a game`s final release drastically affects people`s ability to like it, even if there are mods to fix it.
Plus I felt like a midget running around because of the camera height. Did anyone else get that feeling?
Grindy...
#81 posted by Shambler [210.86.111.150] on 2003/04/23 23:15:24
And you think Than lets me near his house?
Does he let you near his pants though??
Wazat...
#82 posted by Shambler [210.86.111.150] on 2003/04/23 23:22:03
Thanks for that info. I saw QExpo is biannual. Probably a good idea given how much work it can be.
I`ve managed to try UT2....not impressed so far (albeit for different reasons). It`s UT with better graphics (in the cases of the weapons and characters, unnecessarily better). Same weapons but with different names (I like the 3 rocket limit but not the lack of grenade spam), similar power-ups. Only played a couple of levels, they seemed fine though not revolutionary. And collecting pills for special moves....WTF is this, Super Mario Tournament or something?? I`m not so keen on all these tricks being planned, built in, and open to any newbie, as someone who learnt tricks the hard way when they were esoteric and exciting to discover. And shipping without Assault. No.
Anyone Want To Play, BTW??
#83 posted by Shambler [210.86.111.150] on 2003/04/23 23:27:54
For the first time ever I have temporary access to a connection better than my usual "two cups and a piece of string". So in theory I could play some of you lot online.
Games I`ve got available: UT2, Battlefield 1942, Iron Storm, IGI2, Splinter Cell, WC3, C&C Generals, AOM....(okay and CS but there is no way in hell...)
Games I know how to play: UT2.
Games I could probably learn: The other FPSs.
Games I would need to be walked through: The rest.
Times I can play: 10pm - 12am UK time.
I`m very rusty so ideally I could play something against a similar incompetent, or better, teamplay with a few similar incompetents =).
So....errr....ummm..../looks shy...
Hmmm............
#84 posted by Abyss [203.51.197.36] on 2003/04/24 00:46:44
"I`ve managed to try UT2....not impressed so far " lol,
I think you'll be exceedingly unimpressed when and if you play Unreal 2.
And those pills do suck, but they tended to become less, well, sucky, as time went on, at least for me. the special moves are less than Ideal, and activating them by button mashing is also not the best, but.....
Doing wall jumps and dodge jumps etc is a "little" bit better, although I tend to leave them alone. But when you come up against someone who can do them well, umm, well, you can kiss your ass goodbye.
Funny you should say "Super Mario Tournament or something??" for quite a while when I first started playing it, the site of those pills, and some of those bridge things, and something about the graphical style made me feel like Mario himself would leap out at any minute.
Love to play ya, but the distance/ping would probably be to great
Shamb
#85 posted by Kell [80.195.16.144] on 2003/04/24 06:34:27
I'd be up for a fight. I just recently got my own net access ( which I doubt really constitutes 'news' :P ); I ping rather nicely anywhere UK. I'm also quite crap, certainly at QW as some of the others will enthusiastically confirm.
Thing is, I'm only set up to play Q1 or Q3 - so that narrows the options :/
Q3ctf!!!
#86 posted by wrath [195.58.111.103] on 2003/04/24 09:55:32
biatches!
CPMA!!!
#87 posted by Auhsan [62.82.216.52] on 2003/04/24 12:22:18
biatches!
-InstaUnlagged-
#88 posted by Kell [80.195.16.144] on 2003/04/24 14:01:38
bastids
"two Cups And A Piece Of String"
#89 posted by Wazat [144.38.206.24] on 2003/04/24 14:48:47
I don`t have any cups, and the string keeps getting broke when the neighbors mow the lawn, so I`m out. ;)
Soldat (especially assault mode), UT, and Jeht (my lousy err... lovely q1 mod) are my current multiplayer passions. I wish I could get decent net access out here in the desert or at least find a good lan game to play it on, against some real people.
Shambler, can you come up with any reasonable suggestions as to why they *dropped* the all-powerful assault mode in UT2 and replaced it with a wimpy football mod? Maybe people do like it more, but as far as I can see right now, I can`t see the logic in it...
That football mod (I can`t even remember its name, my mind refuses to reserve space for it) seems like nothing more than Rob the Nest in my CTF Plugin mod ( http://static.condemned.com/downlo... ), except the guy carrying the "flag" can`t shoot. :(
The Answer To The Topic Question Is...
#90 posted by spentron [66.33.195.194] on 2003/04/24 17:01:16
.. in the icon.
Wazat...
#91 posted by Shambler [210.86.111.150] on 2003/04/25 02:09:13
Shambler, can you come up with any reasonable suggestions as to why they *dropped* the all-powerful assault mode in UT2 and replaced it with a wimpy football mod?
Me?! No fucking idea. Assault has got to be the one of the great MP innovations since CTF and botmatch. Okay by trying to bridge the DM/SP gap it was somewhat a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none but even so it was good, different and hell they could have spent time refining it instead of dropping it.
Wazat
#92 posted by nitin [61.9.128.173] on 2003/04/25 02:12:03
probably becuase online assault was really shit and buggy and they didnt now how to fix it. Pity because it was a rather cool gamemode idea.
And bombing run is quite fun as is the mod Deathball, which a lot more like football.
An Issue...
#93 posted by Shambler [210.86.111.150] on 2003/04/25 02:31:18
...that Vondur and Wazat raised (re-opening TSQLR, having a review booth at QExpo).
I have considered returning to some active involvement in the scene. Despite my genuine reasons for quitting, I still miss it. However, if I think about WHY I`d want to do that, my reasons are not because I want to review or because I need to serve people that way and bring maps to their attention. Instead it would be for the involvement and recognition, being part of something and getting the attention of other people. Those are the wrong reasons and not why I started or ran any sites.
So, no, not unless I find something that inspires me as purely where I can perform a genuinely useful service.
Assault
#94 posted by wrath [195.58.111.103] on 2003/04/25 03:54:15
"Shambler, can you come up with any reasonable suggestions as to why they *dropped* the all-powerful assault mode in UT2 and replaced it with a wimpy football mod?"
I thought they upgraded assault to assault2?
Shmabler
#95 posted by SleepwalkR [217.231.243.242] on 2003/04/25 03:54:53
Welcome back, yadda yadda, only game I can suggest is Crimsonland (google it, it´s not officially available anymore). If you can´t find it, drop me a mail and I´ll up it for you.
And btw, good fucking reasons not to open a site. I like that.
No
#96 posted by daftpunk [147.197.200.13] on 2003/04/25 07:36:47
serving the comunity is your DUTY
you will be sentenced to bring us the BEST reviews.
ok, i`ll shut up and fuck off now
ps. i`m almost getting used to this ` thingy even when typing emails and Intros to my CV (resume). spooky!
Yeah
#97 posted by wrath [195.58.111.103] on 2003/04/25 07:39:10
metl, can you fix that godawful bug somehow, the ´ & ` are making me froth all over my keyboard.
Hmm
#98 posted by nonentity [62.189.9.170] on 2003/04/25 08:27:18
No.
Just No.
Wrath:
#99 posted by metlslime [207.111.214.194] on 2003/04/25 17:34:01
i can, but not right now. In the meantime escape the apostophes with backslashes.
Metl
#100 posted by wrath [217.211.83.31] on 2003/04/25 17:39:27
you utter bastard, you take some perverse pleasure from watching me wrestle with the keyboard, don´t you? sitting around the basement looking at php-code, in a hockey outfit with holes cut out for your nipples - wanking like a maniac. playing recorded weather reports on the stereo.
*fap* *fap* *fap*
SICKO!
What`s Even More Fun Wrath...
#101 posted by Shambler [210.86.111.150] on 2003/04/25 22:20:58
Is that whatever you`re using instead of apostrophes ends up as some bloody oriental character on this PC.
´t - whatever that is, fucking cantonese or something...
Shambler
#102 posted by wrath [217.211.83.31] on 2003/04/26 06:47:25
it´s mandarin for "this post made possible by bile(tm)"
Nothing Wrong With
#103 posted by Vodka [81.3.154.134] on 2003/04/27 00:05:18
involvement, being part of something and getting the attention of other people
Speedy...
#104 posted by Shambler [210.86.111.150] on 2003/04/27 02:59:15
No, but I don`t think it`s a good motivation to do something that is ostensibly a public service.
Wrath
#105 posted by daftpunk [147.197.200.13] on 2003/04/27 17:32:43
lol
that was funny man.
metl with a fuckin hockey outfit.
um, reminds me of wotsisname, the weird guy in Hannibal, the rich guy...
No
#106 posted by daftpunk [147.197.200.13] on 2003/04/27 17:33:42
the guy in the film DOES NOT wear hockey stuff, he`s just a control FREEK
.
Hmm
#107 posted by nonentity [62.189.9.170] on 2003/04/28 08:15:53
How do you know he doesn`t wear hockey stuff?
Maybe he wears hockey gear but you don`t see him with it on...
Yea True
#108 posted by daftpunk [147.197.200.13] on 2003/04/28 14:45:41
well, in the film he could
maybe i shall write to harris so he adds it in the book.
metl, do you look similar to mason verger?
^ icon above represents me running away in horror/despair

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