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Posted by Scampie [66.231.198.213] on 2003/10/25 12:53:22

Here it is, the thread you've all been waiting for! The line in the sand has been drawn and sides are being chosen!
In this corner, weighting in at an impressive 5,000 pounds of pure metal, concrete and dohickies, the reigning champion of the world, it's IDBASE!
And it's challenger, sporting the blue and brown trunks, covered in arcane symbols, the master of darkness and evil, the RUNIC set!
Which will prevail as the top dog? Which is the better set for Quake maps? Why should mapper's choose one set over the other? Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!?

#1 posted by Scampie [66.231.198.213] on 2003/10/25 12:54:42
idbase
W00t
#2 posted by underworldfan [128.195.84.154] on 2003/10/25 13:06:33
idbase.
You've Got To Be Fucking Joking!!
#3 posted by Shambler [82.38.192.183] on 2003/10/25 13:17:59
Idbase are you mad?? A pile of bollox. Ikbase vs Runic you might have a fairly contest.
Anyway, fucking RUNIC.
It's what defines Quake, it's strongest theme, it's darkest atmosphere, it's most distinctive aesthetic.
Shambler Is Ass
#4 posted by czg [80.202.31.140] on 2003/10/25 13:39:29
idbase
#5 posted by Vigil [193.229.6.165] on 2003/10/25 13:50:58
idbase
Shambler
#6 posted by Kell [82.41.49.31] on 2003/10/25 14:06:18
not only do I share the opinion, but also the stonking incredulity at these cretinous philistines. Idbase is a hideous range of colors: it supposed, I presume, to represent militry green...but does it bollox. It's quite possibly the worst shades of green ever assembled in the name of design. I mean...they're PASTELS ffs! Pastels aren't even fashionable amongst artsy interior designers; they're despicably tasteless. And so is idbase.
Not to mention most of the idbase is composed of that bloody quake-shape monosymetrical hexagon - nowhere near as much versatility in application as the runic metal.
And the monitors...oh gods, not the monitors...
I say again - philistines! A pox on all yer kin!
Bah
#7 posted by pushplay [24.86.74.102] on 2003/10/25 14:49:58
I can't believe anyone gives a crap.
But I vote idbase purely to piss off Shambler.
Wankers
#8 posted by CardO [62.253.96.44] on 2003/10/25 14:50:49
idbase
...
#9 posted by pope [207.149.188.1] on 2003/10/25 14:55:42
RUNIC defines quake, it seperates it from the fold....
IDBASE is a more structured set althot not without its abundant variety of uses.
I vote....
*drumrool* *gasps* *women diving at his feet*
RUNIC!
...
#10 posted by pope [207.149.188.1] on 2003/10/25 15:03:24
RUNIC defines quake, it seperates it from the fold....
IDBASE is a more structured set althot not without its abundant variety of uses.
I vote....
*drumrool* *gasps* *women diving at his feet*
RUNIC!
Vote For Arnold
#11 posted by cyBeAr [213.65.179.30] on 2003/10/25 15:33:59
free pies for everyone!
Runic
#12 posted by R.P.G. [24.136.233.191] on 2003/10/25 15:34:05
As if it were not immediately evident based upon the huge success and incredible quality that is known as RPGSP1.
Not Much To Think About
#13 posted by Hrimfaxi [80.165.145.117] on 2003/10/25 15:36:04
RUNIC is Quake!
RUNIC is master
RUNIC - RUNIC - RUNIC!!
#14 posted by NotScampie [66.231.198.213] on 2003/10/25 15:37:56
Runic
Runic
#15 posted by Vondur [217.70.16.165] on 2003/10/25 15:39:47
enough bases
styigan environment will never die
Vondur
#16 posted by Kell [82.41.49.31] on 2003/10/25 15:45:30
you get a bonus point for using the word 'stygian', even though you did typo.
extra points for those who already knew what it meant...
...whaddya mean, patronising philology? :P
:)
#17 posted by Vondur [217.70.16.165] on 2003/10/25 16:30:57
yeah, my typing sucks last time ;)
Runic - Blue - Metal!
#18 posted by PuLSaR [80.80.96.172] on 2003/10/25 17:02:15
I luv this set
I prefer medieval maps more then base anyway cuz there are only few original base monsters (I think using medieval monsters in base maps sucks, even fiends or shamblers)
Once again: blue textures rock!!
RUNIC
#19 posted by Miniwood [82.35.127.169] on 2003/10/25 18:14:30
Shall we gather by the river?
Stygian Ha!
Hmm
#20 posted by nonentity [144.32.128.133] on 2003/10/25 18:24:09
Runic, it's more versatile (and looks better to boot)
Humbug
#21 posted by spentron [63.159.52.13] on 2003/10/25 18:51:13
I'll vote idbase if everyone promises to never, ever use it again.
Idbase...
#22 posted by Quaketree [64.121.40.6] on 2003/10/25 20:22:52
Sucks.
Runic Rocks.
No Contest.
#23 posted by biff_debris [66.191.252.246] on 2003/10/25 21:43:45
Idbase rules. Hehe, like I'd be saying otherwise...
Runic.
#24 posted by necros [63.139.3.74] on 2003/10/25 22:24:55
it's all i can map to.
RUNIC!
#25 posted by FaTbOy! [216.80.153.11] on 2003/10/25 22:33:18
I would have to agree with everyone that said it defines the look of q1.
RUNIC
#26 posted by inertia [24.164.72.100] on 2003/10/25 22:59:21
*BASE rox my cox [in da sox], but I dont think the same about pure IDBASE...
I'll give the trophy to RUNIC
but IDBASE comes a close SECOND.
I'd Go With Runic
#27 posted by Fat Controller [203.97.2.243] on 2003/10/26 00:19:05
Since you can use it with just about anything. Some cable runs, a few lumps of machinery - poof! Either it's Zerstörer or Da Pak style 'eavy metal base (Or Speedy's type.) Toss in some bloodstains, demon-head plaques - zing! Welcome to Heck. Fling stone and brick around the place, and you get a nice medieval feel.
I keep saying I'm going to quit mapping next year, but I'm starting to reconsider. Again.
Eat That CZG!
#28 posted by Shambler [82.38.192.183] on 2003/10/26 02:38:13
The truth will out! Despite your puny attempts!
Yes
#29 posted by Vondur [217.70.16.165] on 2003/10/26 03:13:38
idbase was used only one 4 or so levels in quake.
other levels used ancient(runic etc) textures.
yet, there is q2, go eat base textures there, czg ;)
By Far,
#30 posted by CETME [68.171.166.223] on 2003/10/26 06:14:49
RUNIC! Makes the Cyclopean, Lovecraftian come alive. [IDbase has its place, though, of course . . .].
P.S. - Do I get points for "Cyclopean?"
We Can Only Wonder
#31 posted by starbuck [82.33.88.105] on 2003/10/26 08:20:36
at what NotoriousRay's vote will be
(My vote goes for Runic though)
Far By
#32 posted by Kell [82.41.49.31] on 2003/10/26 09:54:23
P.S. - Do I get points for "Cyclopean?"
Yes, you do ( though, technically, 'cyclopean' refers to architecture made from large blocks of stone; in this context, though, I'll accept it )
It Depends, Really...
#33 posted by Gleeb [81.86.73.134] on 2003/10/26 10:19:05
When Quake was released, low poly was key. idbase is well suited to low poly.
Runic can be used in higher poly situations.
It really does depend on what your target machine is, really.
Ugh
#34 posted by Scampie [66.231.198.213] on 2003/10/26 11:01:44
Runic? The better set? PUH-LEASE! You bunch must be 15 year old satanists to like running around in the dark looking at brown rivets, blue metal, and grey candy stripes on repeat.
Idbase is the heart and soul of Quake. Remember the storyline? Technology goes evil and heywire and teleports monsters to earth? That's right, idbase is the reason all those other sets exsist! If not for idbase, Quake would be just a random mishmash of evil and incoherancy.
It's use in custom maps demands skill, unlike the runic set's 'throw the same 4 textures together, shake, serve' approach. Idbase has skinny and fat trims, cool doors, and walls with infinite possiblity for cutting and mixing your own versions. The textures are so well designed that you can easily use them on angled surfaces and create your own interesting look and style. The defined edges of the textures mean the mapper must use them in good alignment, unlike runic's use by 'slapping these things randomly on blocks and moving on'. Idbase's grace and beauty cannot be denied when used with skill.
And let's talk about setting and theme for a bit. Runic... runic... wtf IS that theme? Is it trying to be dark and scary? Is it trying to be industrial? Where the fuck are you and why do you care? I have a hard time suspending belief for most maps textured in the insanely halfassed runic set.
On the flip side, Idbase proudly wears it's status as a military base. You know where you are, and know why you care that monsters are invading your base! Going to their worlds and killing them is no better than murder, and that's exactly what you do in runic maps, Mr. 'George W.'! Idbase, while normally only populated by dogs, grunts, and enforcers, can easily be used with other invading demons like fiends, rottfishes, orges, and spawn. Don't tell me your choices are limited, that only means your mind is limited to thinking only what id originally did in their base maps was the way it had to be done.
I think you runic fans need to get out more and stop jerking off to Lovecraft long enough to relieze you're a bunch of pathetic losers who would rather vague evil and satan than the true excellance of design that is Idbase.
Go Eat A Dick
#35 posted by DaZ [212.159.60.58] on 2003/10/26 11:54:09
Runic wins!
No, Scampie Wins!
#36 posted by czg [80.202.31.140] on 2003/10/26 12:50:58
Runic is just a blocky half-assed set of one<i/> type of wall, and two or three trims. (Oh, and wizmet1_2.) Creative designs in runic maps are usualy limited to maybe an angled doorframe or perhaps a bevel of some sorts in a corner. The atmosphere in a runic map spans the enitre breathtaking spectre of Dark whatever with lava to Dark whatever with glowing red runes. The success of mixing and matching other sets with runic just stands to show that runic is a poor texture scheme with no engaging theme on its own.
Idbase on the other hand has a plethora of assorted walls, trims, floors and details that can give birth to an orgasmic frenzy of themes that all give a strong sense of place and atmosphere. To make a level designed in idbase look good, it depends on the author being creative with angles, trims and details, making neat insets and details that match up with the decidedly un-angular designs of the textures. The atmosphere can span anything from a dark underground laboratory with claustrophobic corridors linking up deplorable, dark rooms where unmentionble experiments take place, to lofty bunker complexes, washed out and bleak from the blasting sun that throws its thin and fumbling rays into deep bowels covered in dust and echoing with the howling of wind.
And I also agree with scampie regarding the lovecraft wankers bit. Lovecraft wrote horrificly tedious stories about... well, who knows, he never let us know!!!
Meh
#37 posted by czg [80.202.31.140] on 2003/10/26 12:51:36
tags = teh s4wk
#38 posted by xen [82.32.32.44] on 2003/10/26 12:56:50
The defined edges of the textures mean the mapper must use them in good alignment, unlike runic's use by 'slapping these things randomly on blocks and moving on'. Idbase's grace and beauty cannot be denied when used with skill.
http://xen.quakepit.com/e3m1.jpg
Oh Yeah, Vote...
#39 posted by xen [82.32.32.44] on 2003/10/26 12:58:47
Runic. It offered a refreshing alternative to Quake's trademark brown; grey!
Http://xen.quakepit.com/e3m1.jpg
#40 posted by czg [80.202.31.140] on 2003/10/26 13:08:49
Noone ever said the original id maps were exactly masters of texture alignment...
Idbase's grace and beauty cannot be denied when used with skill like it isn't in that pic.
Czg
#41 posted by R.P.G. [24.136.233.191] on 2003/10/26 13:37:49
Creative designs in runic maps are usualy limited to maybe an angled doorframe or perhaps a bevel of some sorts in a corner.
And giant penises. Duh.
And the fact that runic doesn't require you to use the same repeating panel textures at high grid numbers is freeing. It's like walking around your house in the nude, except you don't get cold in the winter.
Mr Czg
#42 posted by xen [82.32.32.44] on 2003/10/26 14:01:39
You calling Romero unskilled?
WELL?!
ARE YOU?!!?!?
Yes.
#43 posted by Scampie [66.231.198.213] on 2003/10/26 14:05:56
I think he is...
Case In Point:
#44 posted by czg [80.202.31.140] on 2003/10/26 14:42:51
<cheap shot>
Daikatana.
</cheap shot>
Actually
#45 posted by czg [80.202.31.140] on 2003/10/26 14:44:52
I take that back.
It's a bit low, even for me...
#46 posted by Vigil [193.229.6.165] on 2003/10/26 15:36:25
It's like walking around your house in the nude, except you don't get cold in the winter.
Double windows.
Actually
#47 posted by xen [82.32.32.44] on 2003/10/26 15:37:39
I do see your point :-p
Hmm
#48 posted by nonentity [144.32.128.133] on 2003/10/26 16:04:51
If not for idbase, Quake would be just a random mishmash of evil and incoherancy
Um... Oh I can't be arsed to say it.
And The Final Verdict Is...
#49 posted by Shambler [82.38.192.183] on 2003/10/26 16:08:51
<TastyPie> czg anal intrudes cows tight ass btw
To All The Runic Fanboys:
#50 posted by czg [80.202.31.140] on 2003/10/26 16:09:47
I hear you guys have really small dicks.
Maybe
#51 posted by Kell [82.41.49.31] on 2003/10/26 16:39:18
but at least we don't stick them in domesticated animals
For What It's Worth
#52 posted by Scragbait [65.92.10.152] on 2003/10/26 18:53:22
The Base is where it all begins and attention to alignment is a must to make convincing base maps. I like well made Base maps.
However, I vote for Runic because Quake is about going against one's better judgement and with conviction leaping into portals that launch you well away from human occupied territory and into the hot magic bowels of fiery environments made by purely evil minds who have no safety codes to follow. The complementary enemies of this tex scheme is what defines Quake, IMHO.
Actually,
#53 posted by necros [63.139.3.74] on 2003/10/26 19:55:16
technically, Start is where it all begins...
No Contest
#54 posted by distrans [131.172.4.44] on 2003/10/27 00:33:02
The success of mixing and matching other sets with runic just stands to show that runic is a poor texture scheme with no engaging theme on its own.
bollox... or a series of grammatical errors and you actually meant "it is a fine texture scheme that, while having an engaging theme of its own, also allows for thematic expansion by successfully combing with other texture sets"
Metal 4 eva
Runic
#55 posted by visitor [200.214.49.32] on 2003/10/27 02:19:31
czg is gay and runic rules
2 Cents Worth
#56 posted by nitin [203.45.41.208] on 2003/10/27 03:37:52
personally I think runic is good on average to above average looking maps (architecture wise), for more complex stuff, idbase looks better IMHO.
Seriously
#57 posted by starbuck [82.33.88.105] on 2003/10/27 12:31:36
I could count the number of original idbase maps on one hand. One hand with no fingers.
So That Would Be...
#58 posted by Kell [82.41.49.31] on 2003/10/27 13:59:16
one?
I Came Pretty Late To Be Throwing In My Opinion Now But...
#59 posted by Wazat [144.38.206.8] on 2003/10/27 16:02:44
I personally think it's okay if a map artist uses idbase textures if he's making a military installation, and runic textures if he's making a dark medieval environment. I personally consider it very important that the artist either have some idea of what he's going to do before deciding on a texture set, and then chooses textures based on that (ie Well, I'd like to make a dark hellish dungeon with iron bars and bloody walls, but I've already decided on idbase, and that could fit... ;P ); or, the mapper picks a texture set he likes and lets the ideas flow from there (ie, I feel like runic today), but does so without blind bias.
If you want to make a military installation, but are morally opposed to using idbase, then you're on your own for textures. There are many textures out there that are admittedly way better than idbase, but they may not fit your theme, if you can even find what you want. Idbase is both classic, and easy to get a hold of. It's ugly as sin, but that can be cleverly disguised by proper use. Runic to me is boring, and it has a tendency to make me immediately feel bored, tired, lost & confused, and often makes me have to squint to see it. It does this because that's how I felt when playing the original ID1 maps that got past M4-5 in episodes 3 and 4. I'd just get lost and bored. And all too many custom maps that use them insist on making the map so dark I can't see where I'm going anywhere that doesn't have lava. However, I've seen runic textures used perfectly, creating an environment that grabs my interest on first sight.
So I don't think either texture is better than the other. It all comes down to creativity and skill of use.
But enough middle-manning. It's time to take a stand. When asked whether I prefer ID base or Runic, I choose... something else, usually.
Really, I like RPG's maps, Mr.Fribbles' maps, czg's maps, and a whole host of others. Some use idbase, some use runic, but most use whatever the hell fit their needs. Some even use a combination, if that fits their needs.
And in a pinch, I'd pick ID Base, because I really like millitary installations. They're more "atmospheric" and "intimidating" to me than what's being passed off as a hellish alternate universe. I enjoy games like Dino Crisis partly because they have so many 'more-modern than rocks and sticks' military/industrial facilities, which I recognize immediately and tend to relate to more. When I'm in a runic environment, stuff just seems silly to me. Structures are just there to look good or direct movement etc.
The same could be said by someone else, but in reverse. I don't deny that, but I do have my opinion.
As If You Couldn't Guess..
#60 posted by NotoriousRay_in_rhode_island [138.16.136.126] on 2003/10/29 16:20:59
E M B R A C E T H E B A S E
let us not foget the CRATE'S native theme!!!
You Fool!
#61 posted by Fat Controller [203.97.2.243] on 2003/10/30 00:05:22
Crates aren't native to idbase. They are transcendent constructs that permeate all the known universes, several unknown universes, and one or two imaginary ones known only to myself and Aristotle.
After all, was it in Quake that Crate DM was made? No! 'Twas Quake II. Even medieval themes have crates, and never mind urban. They're everywhere and everywhen! So pah! on your crates, and ptooey! as well, they'll never take me alive, you've seen the posters, "Wanted: Dead or Washed," ptooey ptoing ping ploppy plee pli plo...
Hehe...
#62 posted by distrans [203.36.15.125] on 2003/10/30 00:43:48
Fatty smokes more Elf-weed than anyone.
No
#63 posted by Kell [82.41.49.31] on 2003/10/30 10:09:06
Fatty has simply achieved a higher level of 'crate' than the rest of us
#64 posted by Scampie [216.220.241.97] on 2003/10/30 10:43:21
Try not to think about it in terms of being 'inside' or 'outside' the crate, instead, become one with the crate, and relieze that the crate itself does not exist, there's only you.
What Do I Put Here
#65 posted by help [216.236.128.43] on 2003/10/30 11:05:22
Q3CTF4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ill snipe all ur asses! rofl
Oic
#66 posted by help!! [216.236.128.43] on 2003/10/30 11:07:27
o my bad i thot we were talking about lvls.................................
Hay Guys What Is Going On In This Msgboard
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I LIKE LINUX AND GETTING KICKED IN THE BALLS AND FACE
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^^^
#69 posted by Scampie [66.231.198.213] on 2003/10/30 19:57:27
Hi Sarojin, thanks for being a retard on our forums.
http://sarojin.ath.cx/
http://www.livejournal.com/users/s...
(i am protected)
You're Welcome
#70 posted by Sarojin [142.161.36.150] on 2003/10/30 23:48:05
^_^
!
#71 posted by MisYu [80.55.110.78] on 2003/11/06 04:02:54
idbase, that's quake
Links
#72 posted by Gib [213.120.56.37] on 2003/11/17 08:20:38
Could I have some link to Runic and IDBase textures and any other texture please.
My quake directory doesnt seem to be in pak files so WC1.6a doesnt seem to wanna get textures from it.
Gib
#73 posted by Kell [82.41.49.31] on 2003/11/17 08:58:07
http://www.planetquake.com/worldcr...
Files -> Texture WADS
Thanks
#74 posted by Gib [213.120.56.37] on 2003/11/17 09:00:52
OMG all seperate and all from fileplanet and all on my 56kb modem erk.
Thanks tho :)
Gib
#75 posted by Kell [82.41.49.31] on 2003/11/17 09:02:03
if you wanted, I could just DCC the id+hipnitual textures in 1 wad, plus any others I have lying around...
Ta
#76 posted by Gib [213.120.56.37] on 2003/11/17 09:19:19
Thanks but I just download all from that site. (/me throws water on smoking modem). Unless those are different ones in which case I'd love to have them.
Or...
#77 posted by metlslime [64.124.188.211] on 2003/11/17 13:19:16
download a pak utility, and re-pak your entire id1 dir.
Which?
#78 posted by Gib [213.1.45.14] on 2003/11/17 14:05:22
I tried searching in google for a pak utility but couldn't find anything.
Or...
#79 posted by Scampie [216.220.241.97] on 2003/11/17 14:06:40
get TexMex and rip the textures out of all the id maps, and all the customs that have textures you want.
Give a man a .wad, and he maps for a day. Help him make his own .wads, and he maps for just as long, but with more textures. :D
Lol
#80 posted by Gib [213.120.56.45] on 2003/11/17 14:18:15
Right downloading winpak now and already have texmex :)
One Of The Editors
#81 posted by starbuck [82.33.88.117] on 2003/11/18 13:18:57
i can't remember which, automatically rips all the quake textures for you and makes a wad, maybe quark?
It's...
#82 posted by Gib [212.140.154.45] on 2003/11/18 14:17:16
http://www.planetquake.com/texmex Texmex.
Starbuck...
#83 posted by Scampie [216.220.241.97] on 2003/11/18 16:04:14
Worldcraft does it... the issue was that it wouldn't because his id maps weren't in the .paks anymore.
This post brought to you by the letters R,C, and P.
Read. Comprehend. Post.
Ohh I See
#84 posted by starbuck [82.33.88.117] on 2003/11/18 16:13:31
yeah then i guess you'd have to do it manually... a bit painful but texmex does a good job
Starbuck:
#85 posted by Wazat [144.38.206.112] on 2003/11/18 16:41:22
Yea, Quark does all that for you.
In Case Anyone Didnt Know
#86 posted by NotoriousRay [138.162.0.44] on 2003/11/25 07:45:02
my personal huge stash of idbase textures and variants (need to upload newest version, but still alot in here)
http://www.chesapeake.net/~rjoneil...
Nice
#87 posted by Wazat [144.38.206.8] on 2003/12/01 16:09:53
downloading now, thanks!
So About The Topic Of This Thread
#88 posted by inertia [24.164.72.100] on 2003/12/03 00:42:08
we arrived at a consensus, right?
IDBASE is the best?
I thought so.
Bah...
#89 posted by Shambler [82.38.192.33] on 2003/12/03 05:51:41
Even with all the idiots voting for Idbase solely to piss Shambler off, you STILL lost miserably. Lame with added lame!
Shamblers Refer To Themselves In The Third Now?
#90 posted by pushplay [24.109.0.211] on 2003/12/03 21:46:06
The Tally
#91 posted by xen [82.32.34.150] on 2003/12/03 21:53:01
Roughly...
idbase \\\\\ \\\\\ \
runic \\\\\ \\\\\ \\\\\ \\\\\
...by my count. Yeah obviously idbase is the best, hm. Or maybe not :-p
And Since When Was Quake A Democracy?
#92 posted by pushplay [24.109.0.211] on 2003/12/04 02:13:20
Pushplay:
#93 posted by Scampie [66.231.199.96] on 2003/12/04 07:46:34
Ever since Labor took power.
Hmm
#94 posted by nonentity [144.32.128.133] on 2003/12/04 09:38:07
Labour
There's a fucking 'u' (same goes for colour dammit)
#95 posted by Scampie [216.220.241.97] on 2003/12/04 13:19:36
Iu'm Sourry Misteur Bitiush.
#96 posted by xen [82.32.34.150] on 2003/12/04 14:20:23
Sht the fck p, stpid yank cnt
RUNIC!!
#97 posted by [Jimbo] [66.207.91.70] on 2003/12/10 01:23:14
My vote is for runic,
cause I can write my own name in
ancient Norse Runes
:)

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