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- xaGe
- 2022-11-10 12:35:30
Awesome to hear!
- Gioyo3aa
- 2022-11-08 10:37:32
I can't figure out why in the world this message would be perceived as harassment, but I assume my post will also somehow be perceived as an attempt to pouring gas on the fire, so I'll stop there. Let's leave kindergarten and get back to Quakin' (can't wait for Mjölnir ...).
- dumptruck_ds
- 2022-11-07 18:01:56
Amen. Here's to the renaissance continuing!
- Spirit
- 2022-11-07 18:00:50
I think there was a lot of misinterpretation and I can understood people who took either "side". Let's put it behind us.
- dumptruck_ds
- 2022-11-07 17:55:49
Glad to see this "resolved" in some form. Very sorry to know some people got away with abusing you in the process. And others, who I used to admire, stood by and "liked" comments that were over the top and completely undeserved.
But yes, time to move on and keep things civil and positive. It's just a damn video game after all.
- Spirit
- 2022-11-07 17:31:40
I have posted a final statement to Twitter, as that was where the issue happened: https://twitter.com/quaddicted/status/1 … 3281589248
It has been explained to me that these tweets https://twitter.com/quaddicted/status/1 … 2301323264 were received as harassment & that my continued refusal to deal with these issues privately was abusive. I understand this now and I am deeply sorry.
Also explained was that the accusations of me being a longterm abuser and targeted harasser were about these tweets plus a "yikes" when Slipseer was announced. https://www.quaddicted.com/forum/viewto … 7263#p7263
To me and others the accusations sounded like issues on an even more damaging scale.That's why I have been so annoyingly petty & investigative. I wanted to see proof of what I thought was implied but the issue was right there, before my stupid face... I can see how this, to someone who thought everything was clear & said, was even *more* harassment.
I am glad that this was finally cleared up and wish we had all been communicating clearly about it in the beginning, it would have prevented much MUCH hurt for many people involved.
I wish the Slipseer project great success! The renaissance of Quake is amazing and we can never have too many sites and projects. We are all here to have fun and should consider the actions of others with empathy, not fear and anger.
Many heartfelt thanks to those who constructively talked with or to me and those who supported all involved parties in various important ways. I know that this was hard and I highly appreciate your empathy.
As a consequence and because this mess reminded me how social media is in general not good for our health, this Twitter account will be purged and disabled. A new bot for random daily map tweets is @m0rb's @quaddicted_motd <3
PS: **SORRY** for the long delay in posting this! I had already spoken to various people from all around the spectrum of this controversy, including a draft of these texts, but then had to sort out some meatspace issues first.
If you prefer not to visit Twitter:
https://nitter.net/quaddicted/status/15 … 3281589248
https://archive.ph/FM3lC
http://web.archive.org/web/202211071729 … 3281589248
- Spirit
- 2022-10-24 21:27:20
I am locking this over night as I think everything to be said here has been said for now.
The other day I had reached out to several people with diverse perspectives on this and received very helpful responses. Texts for a final statement are prepared and sent for review to a diverse group of people who were kind enough to talk to me, to check that I don't unintentionally say bad things again. Once checked I will post them and we can hopefully put an end to all this with mutual satisfaction.
- Mazu
- 2022-10-24 06:08:03
This community indeed is small enough to worth sacrificing over wellbeing of someone. I don't care how people will view the situation at all, its too petty to be a major issue. It could've been much worse as where it was headed. Nothing compared to war on Ukraine or overall world crisis going on right now. I can't believe some people would even think otherwise.
People who stay quiet about problems probably think there is still more value in that. To be fair I should've backed people publicly before when there were more unfortunate events back then. In retrospect it feels dumb that I didn't. If there is anything to apologize then that is a much better reason to do so.
- dumptruck_ds
- 2022-10-24 01:20:35
At least these posts won't get deleted.
- mhc
- 2022-10-23 23:34:10
It's hard for most people to admit that they've messed up, especially with the peanut gallery watching.
I don't think you are going to get any more detail or precise apology if they've done you any ill. I think it'd be best for everyone to move on. Those in the future that are interested in looking back on this moment will (hopefully) know better and make up their own mind as to who was acting out of line.
But some advice to some of those eager throw mean words around: People are watching and will remember your attitude. The community (and video-game industry, to those that care) is smaller than you think!
- Mazu
- 2022-10-23 22:52:42
"Mazu, does this mean that your tweet also is about that single 3-4 tweet thread?"
Essentially yes, but I had an extra undisclosed reason to react even harder to it. Probably why it is more aggressive than it should.
If you have anymore questions about this you can ask me privately on email. I feel like you guys can sort the rest of this out here.
- Spirit
- 2022-10-23 21:31:27
alekswithak, so me saying this "yikes" was the "targeted harassment of Fairweather for months prior to even Slipseer going live" and how I "publicly mocked FW"?
Your failure to retract / correct the original allegations of plagiarism is willful dishonestly IMO, aka lying. The thread still exists, and no effort has been made by you between its creation and the start of October to clarify that there was a misunderstanding about how submissions on quadmin function in SS, thereby leaving us open to public ridicule and judgement under false pretenses.
I left my original tweets up as proof of what exactly I said. Censoring things that were said is rarely a good idea. This way people can see what was actually said instead of hearing interpretations from third parties. There was a tweet near https://twitter.com/quaddicted/status/1 … 5287598080 that explained the "quadmin" account (sadly deleted now), so that false allegation from me was quickly cleared up *right there*.
As I tried to explain in the Slipseer thread, I felt similarly ridiculed when I/Quaddicted was singled out in the rules again and again with overly strict demands that were never actually requested in such ways. This was also not publicly explained as far as I know, so right now this feels a couple of people pointing their fingers at each other.
So your "He has a history of lying and bad faith behavior within the community" also just meant those 3-4 tweets? You replied with the above statement to my question about it.
You and I spoke directly with one another on QM back when you posted the yikes. Infiniti and others can corroborate this interaction, they were present.
I don't remember, can you share what was said? If it was in a private or group conversation, I am ok with it being published. I am also asking someone else who is still on the QM discord to show the public logs so no one has to guess.
This was referring to you quote tweeting me in real time. I was not talking about you publishing private conversations, but rather making it a point to bring more visibility to things i was saying in real time. you asked from permission to post interactions, and i said you were already doing that, which was correct.
Ok, I see, point taken!
If i need to explain to you why your original thread is harassment, which i know others have already, it will be awhile, so bear with me while i prepare a write up. I do not have energy for this right now, so it will be later.
No, this was made clear early on and I feel like I already explained numerous times how I realise that and that I want to apologize for it. Thanks you for the offer though!
The 3-4 tweets I already dissected in more detail than necessary and I already said I would close that off with a proper statement about it being solved. The accusation about the "yikes" seems ridiculously out of context though but I guess I can understand how it could be interpreted as an expression of negative/disappointed shock(?) (but why in a disrespectful and mocking way? Not sure. I am not a native speaker though...).
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Mazu, does this mean that your tweet also is about that single 3-4 tweet thread? "Getting tired" to me sounded like you implied something with more history. Sorry if I misunderstood that. And I agree that the repeated bickering about the rules on Twitter was an idiotic and hostile thing. If you look at how very negatively towards me/Quaddicted they were worded from my perspective though, I am sure you would have reacted angrily as well.
- Mazu
- 2022-10-23 19:19:31
It is quite clear what I was saying with that statement in bringing up issues on twitter by mentioning slipseer people against their wishes. The entire chain should not have happened in the first place let alone being doubled down 3 more times.
Where that lead after that is completely different story and shouldn't concern you, Spirit. Even if I hate your guts for it.
- alekswithak
- 2022-10-23 19:11:31
"That does not match the timeline in any way. Slipseer was made public around July 8th. My tweet is dated July 13th. You say that I harassed Fairweather for months (so whatever I supposedly did, it was not one single event) prior to the public release of the site. What do you mean by that?"
I the time prior I was referring to was the yikes prior to the site going live. In my anger, I equated these things.
You also said "He has a history of lying and bad faith behavior within the community" for which you again provide no proof. Where did I lie? Where did I behave in bad faith?
Your failure to retract / correct the original allegations of plagiarism is willful dishonestly IMO, aka lying. The thread still exists, and no effort has been made by you between its creation and the start of October to clarify that there was a misunderstanding about how submissions on quadmin function in SS, thereby leaving us open to public ridicule and judgement under false pretenses.
"You implied that there were direct interactions between us which should have me understand whatever you are on about. What and where are those supposed to be?"
You and I spoke directly with one another on QM back when you posted the yikes. Infiniti and others can corroborate this interaction, they were present.
"You implied that I had published private conversations. Where and which ones are those supposed to be?"
This was referring to you quote tweeting me in real time. I was not talking about you publishing private conversations, but rather making it a point to bring more visibility to things i was saying in real time. you asked from permission to post interactions, and i said you were already doing that, which was correct.
If i need to explain to you why your original thread is harassment, which i know others have already, it will be awhile, so bear with me while i prepare a write up. I do not have energy for this right now, so it will be later.
- Spirit
- 2022-10-23 19:00:34
Thanks Mazu! Lots of things fly past us in heated conversations. Ask I asked above: Will you explain and retract what you meant by "I'm getting so tired of hearing this and people targeted by his antics. FW and slipseer does not deserve this harassment." then if I publish the closing statements to Twitter?
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Thanks alekswithak!
So now you are saying that these 3-4 tweets http://web.archive.org/web/202210070627 … e.ph/FjPm5 are the sole thing you took offense at? Your exact words in https://twitter.com/AlekswithaK_/status … 2777308160 are
Let it be known that Spirit has engaged in targeted harassment of Fairweather for months prior to even Slipseer going live and publicly mocked FW for daring to make a site they wanted for the community.
That does not match the timeline in any way. Slipseer was made public around July 8th. My tweet is dated July 13th. You say that I harassed Fairweather for months (so whatever I supposedly did, it was not one single event) prior to the public release of the site. What do you mean by that?
You are saying that me posting this "yikes" was a public mocking of Fairweather. This was not directed at them in anyway. And I am sorry, but if you choose to construe an expression of surprise as negative mocking, then do not blame me for that. I have spoken to others about this exact chat excerpt and they did not mirror your feelings. You could have asked me for clarification if it was unclear and so important to you. I have also reflected on that many days ago in the thread at Slipseer, maybe you did not see it?
You also said "He has a history of lying and bad faith behavior within the community" for which you again provide no proof. Where did I lie? Where did I behave in bad faith?
You implied that there were direct interactions between us which should have me understand whatever you are on about. What and where are those supposed to be?
You implied that I had published private conversations. Where and which ones are those supposed to be?
alekswithak, you actually said more and worse than what you are providing an explanation for here. If you thought that what you said matches those 3-4 tweets and the "yikes", then sure, I understand your confusion as to why I did not understand what you were accusing me of. But in fact what you said does obviously not match those explanations and reaches much deeper.
So no, it is still not clear what you are accusing me of and we need to either see some proof or you to retract those accusations so this nonsense can finally end. As it is right now, you are abusing me by posting unfounded lies and slander.