I find these rather boring. The monster placement feels too artificial.

Wasn't boring for me, I found it good and a rare theme for Quake.

i enjoyed this. the first and second map follow the doom3 hell map somewhat closely, but after that it explores new territory. it plays a lot like the doom3 hell map too, and is completely linear. in fact, you don't revisit any areas at all.
you have to respect a mapper who builds all those areas and doesn't try to squeeze extra gameplay out of them by having them return there. obviously, returning to previous areas can be a good gameplay mechanic, but i rarely see a map that avoids it completely.

Underrated. Probably the best Doom 3 map save Ruined Nation. Also Spirit's comment makes no sense, considering he rated this excellent.

The description sounds like negke wrote it. Ratings are meant to be objective. Descriptions and ratings are not "mine". negke did most, several others contributed in early days.

So you cannot compare anyone's personal opinion with whatever rating someone gave this map. I would probably have given this pack a Nice rating. There are way too many bad aspects in my eyes to justify an Excellent rating. Personally they are just about Average to me.

Sorry, was confused, though you handled all the "Crap, Poor, Average, Nice, Excellent" ratings.

Played on normal and nightmare.

In all three maps,the ambience is the best part of these maps, sometimes a bit too dark, i had to wait till night to play this :D (my window doesnt have blind or shutter). The textures are good, but sometimes seemed greyish, maybe making them darker and putting more lighting would be better. The layout is very simple and the architectural look varies, some places are good to see and the other are just plain corridors.

Difficulty is mostly lower than ID maps, except for the final map and some places in the second. Theres more than enough ammo, maybe too much, and a fair amount of health ans armor.Monster placement varies, theres some dull placement and other well placed.

Worth mentioning that theres some places that you get attacked by a lot of monsters just after teleport; a chaotic fight indeed. In the final map, the difficulty varies a lot, thers some piece of cake moments, but when the two final waves appear , survive is more to luck than to ability. i would make the waves shorter but faster.

Overall, this map deserves a 4 in my opinion.

I don't like to be constantly complaining, but ...

What genius first had the idea that making the player constantly run out of ammo would be a fun challenge? And what was he smoking?

Do you like ... * Running out of ammo? * Monsters teleporting in behind you? * Constant stupid traps? * Zombies spawning in around you every time you pick up any ammo or health? * An endless stream of hell-knights? * An even more endless stream of vorelings -- twice? * An even more endless stream of regular-ass knights all warping in one by one in the exact same spot as you stand mindlessly emptying your DBS into them?

Then you're going to love Five Rivers Land.

If you don't like those things ... not so much.

@MikeTaylor Try to change the way you play this map. Instead standard rushing use more slow and accurate approach.

I uploaded demos on skill 1. Obviously, I remembered layout of map1, but map2 and endbattle were completely erased from my memory and I played them like first time.

While the gameplay is certainly poor by JPL standards, almost all the faults (especially extreme linearity and horribly contrived monster teleporting) are typical of any Doom 3 level.

Please tell me other people realized this is literally just the hell segment from DOOM 3. The layout is almost exactly the same.

The demo's are busted :(

Doc_Holliday, in what way do you mean they're busted?

Note that they were recorded using protocol 666 (FitzQuake protocol), which is supported by FitzQuake, Quakespasm and DirectQ (if I'm not mistaken). If you're using an engine that does not support protocol 666, or if your engine is set to something different (most likely protocol 15), you won't be able to play back the demos.

I guess some engines might do things differently, but if you're using one of the ones listed above, you can check which protocol is being used via the in-game console: pull down the console with the key to the left of the "1" key (the "~" key on most international keyboards), and type "sv protocol" (without the quotes). You will then see something like ""sv protocol" is "15"". If your engine supports it, you can change this value by typing "sv_protocol 666" (without the quotes).

Whoops -- for every instance above where I typed "sv protocol" it should be "sv_protocol" (an underscore; not a space).

I had fun with these maps, although I do feel like while I was rarely left wanting for ammo, health often became an issue. Also, Death Lords.

I really hate death lords in quoth. :(

Still, I can't really fault the map for including them, after all it's just personal taste. The only other complaint I would have is what some of the other users mentioned, which is the excessive at times use of enemy spawners. They can be fun in moderation, but forcing the player to dump ammo in one spot with no end in sight is hardly fun or exciting gameplay.

Funny how Doom 3 is actually more enjoyable in Quake than in Doom 3... xD

Great atmosphere going on here, albeit a tad too dark. Some more torches or a flashlight wouldn't have hurt one bit. The maps, while being extremely linear, are well crafted and quite fun to play. Plus, secrets are nice and generally immediately useful. Chained monster teleports get a little annoying after a while, but nothing too detracting from the experience.

Contrary to what Cocerello said, this mini-episode is significantly harder than id1, on skill 2 at least (most probably due to Quoth monsters), especially the final arena that took me a bunch of quicksaves/quickloads to complete. To make things worse, I had zero armor left for the whole duration of the last waves. Thankfully, there's no shortage of nail/rocket ammo, which allowed me to snipe those damn gaunts and gugs from afar.

This is quite impressive! Beautiful map design and quite challenging.

5/5 stars

This is quite impressive! Beautiful map design and quite challenging.

5/5 stars

Hard as nails at times and ammo can be a little tight but a great rendition of Hell from Doom 3 nonetheless.

The maps could've benefited from some coloured lighting here and there just to add a little more creepiness but, other than that, I don't think there's much I would change.

A great mapset with a great vibe and a great challenge... If only Doom 3 itselfe played this well!

Well...

Loved the setting, ambience, sound, it's all there. But the shooting gameplay is rather dull. Teleporting monster with utter objective to leave the player without option.

First level was cool. I think by teleporting those monster right from the start at the back of the player shows what the map is all about. A little bit too dark,

What was the start of the second level? A quad with a lot of zombies and shielded knights? Also in the second level, there is a door that after touch teleports lots of zombies and you hear the alert sound of shielded knights, but the zombies were so close, that a rocket will damage you plus the door would was timed and not synchronized with the zombies.

The last area was kind of nice. Since the arena was so large, it could throw some more monsters. Even the last monsters were easily avoidable.

Well...

Loved the setting, ambience, sound, it's all there. But the shooting gameplay is rather dull. Teleporting monster with utter objective to leave the player without option.

First level was cool. I think by teleporting those monster right from the start at the back of the player shows what the map is all about. A little bit too dark,

What was the start of the second level? A quad with a lot of zombies and shielded knights? Also in the second level, there is a door that after touch teleports lots of zombies and you hear the alert sound of shielded knights, but the zombies were so close, that a rocket will damage you plus the door would was timed and not synchronized with the zombies.

The last area was kind of nice. Since the arena was so large, it could throw some more monsters. Even the last monsters were easily avoidable.

I was saving the quake for the final demon and then it ended.... I feel like after the four demons it would have been cool to have a final single ultimate boss.

The setting and ambience is TOP, but unfortunately the placement of monsters could have been a lot better at many parts.

On third level I made 15/15 kills and what? What I need do after that?

O, sorry, I installed it in wrong way. This archive looks like complete quake's folder, but really I need to copy Quoth files to the folder.

Nice, very nice. Hell of 'Doom^3', with good likeness, even though perhaps on the simplistic side of things. The difficulty level, though, this one is brutal - sometimes remarkably malevolent. Some 'Quoth' enemies, are tougher than they appear; maybe even too tough at times; which could surprise if someone is used to vanilla 'Quake' standards. The final map, the Colosseum of a kind, requires certain degree of strategic thinking, regarding not only the resource management, but also the "enemy management" as well - since the spawning rates of the latter, are dictated by kill triggers. Enemy infighting, is a useful tool in the hands of the player throughout the continuum of the map, since the collectables, may appear relatively insufficient. All in all, the Roman brimstone idea of hell, does also seem to fit in the Quake universe!