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Mapping Help
Posted by inertia [207.95.173.177], 21/06/2000 19:15 GMT
This thread is for mapping related technical questions. When posting a question, please include the following in addition to your problem; - What game you're trying to edit for - What editor you're using - Any error messages you've recieved Including these points will help people answer your question. To save the same questions being repeated time after time, some common questions are listed below. Q: Which is the best editor to use? A: There is no best editor, use the one that works best for you. Try out a variety of editors and then make the choice for yourself. Some of the common editors available are; - Worldcraft: Used for , and (although for it's now called Valve Hammer Editor) - QERadiant: Used for (and if you use the conversion tool provided by SleepwalkR) - GTKRadiant: Used for , RTCW and most other QIII engine games (and if you use the conversion tool provided by SleepwalkR and change the default texture scale) - Qoole: Used for , , , Heretic II, Hexen II and Sin - QuArK: Used for , , , , Elite Force, Kingpin, Sin, Heretic II and Soldier of Fortune - UnrealEd: Used for Unreal and Q: How do I set the message that's displayed when I enter my level? A: You need to set a value for the 'message' key under the worldspawn entity. How this is done depends on which editor you use, but it is generally found under 'Map Properties' (or similar). Q: Where can I find new textures to use in my level? A: You can try either the BigHouse textures page or for WADs, try the TFQLR textures page. Q: How do I extract textures from a .map or .bsp? A: You can't do this with .map files, only .bsp files as .map files are just plain text. Open the .bsp into TexMex and then simply go to File->Save As and save it as a .wad And please, let's try to keep this professional and without any flaming.

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About Compiling

#1 Posted by inertia [207.95.173.177], 21/06/2000 21:30 GMT

Well, I was wondering, when you compile a q1 map, does the order go BSP, Lite, then VIS? Or BSP, VIS, then Lite? Help would be appreciated.

BSP; LITE; VIS

#2 Posted by GrindSpire [193.113.185.164], 22/06/2000 08:03 GMT , Refers to Post #1

Thats just for Q1 tho...

RE: BSP; LITE; VIS

#3 Posted by inertia [199.35.235.37], 22/06/2000 08:17 GMT , Refers to Post #2

thanks, right before you posted i'd talked to some folks on #tf about it too :) (also right before you came into #tf, hehe)

RE: About Compiling

#4 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.200], 22/06/2000 12:56 GMT , Refers to Post #1

Actually, as long as you do QBSP first, it doesn't matter which order the other two are in. The "traditional" order is QBSP, LIGHT, VIS; but if you are mucking around with colored lights, you may need to have the order QBSP, VIS, LIGHT.

#5 Posted by Psycotic [195.5.73.179], 24/06/2000 12:26 GMT

I need gothic textures for q3:A Please if somebody know where I can find them toll me.
thanks.

Grey Surfaces

#6 Posted by Gilt [154.5.69.4], 24/06/2000 21:02 GMT

I have this problem in Q1 where a surface is consistently grey. It is not affected by r_speeds and it is always the same surface.

Sometimes it will disappear after I continue mapping, but then it will come back again on the same surface and maybe another one too, after some more editing. It is hard to pinpoint the reason because the changes are on the other side of the map and there is seemingly no connection between the two.

Thanks if you can shed any type of light on the problem, or how to fix it.

RE: Grey Surfaces

#7 Posted by CZG [130.67.143.117], 24/06/2000 21:22 GMT , Refers to Post #6

Sounds like you've got some greyflash there. Greyflash usually comes from that the surrounding area is a bit to complex, or that your Vis program is doing some bad stuff. Try switching to another Vis, and if that doesn't work, try to simplify that area.
There is one more thing that might be wrong though, but I really doubt it. If you make your map with custom textures, but forget to make submips (smaller versions of a texture,) for one, that texure will show up as grey from a distance. Doubt this is the prob though, as most wad tools these days create submips automatically.

Good luck
-
CZG

RE: Grey Surfaces

#8 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.101.219], 25/06/2000 03:25 GMT , Refers to Post #6

Sometimes, with fairly complex architecture, VIS will clip away part (or all!) of a brush face. The result is a window into the Grey Void (and any other bits of map in that direction).

One way to get around the problem is to "merge" a couple of textures together to use less brushes.

I had this happen with VIS removing the "baseboards" on some walls in one atrium. So, I made a wall tex with baseboards built right in. Not only did this fix the problem, but reduced brushcount as well. So the level ran faster :)

RE: RE: Grey Surfaces

#9 Posted by Gilt [154.5.69.205], 26/06/2000 04:24 GMT , Refers to Post #7

Thanks both of you for your answers, much appreciated. The info you've given me has helped me at least try to fix the problem, but the whole VIS process sounds like it can be a bit chancey at times.

Now I've got a new question.
CZG said that the problem might be with the compiler. My question is which compilers are best for QBSP and VIS? and where can I get them?

#10 Posted by Vondur [194.87.189.190], 26/06/2000 06:42 GMT , Refers to Post #9

Well, my favorite compilers are:

WQBSP 1.65 - supports transparent water, you can get it from The Forge [files section]
http://www.planetquake.com/worldcraft/index2.shtm

RVIS+ - A faster vis program... with a progress indicator [modified by Tyrann].

Tyrlite - Modified lite prog... with a progerss indicator [modified by Tyrann].
This compiler contains all features from iklite and arghlite. Very useful.

You can get rvis+ and tyrlite from Tyrann's page: http://www.planetquake.com/tyrann/

Good luck

RE: RE: Grey Surfaces

#11 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.113], 26/06/2000 07:19 GMT , Refers to Post #8

Sometimes, with fairly complex architecture, VIS will clip away part (or all!) of a brush face. The result is a window into the Grey Void (and any other bits of map in that direction).
Actually, this problem shows itself at the QBSP stage, before VIS has even been run (assuming we are both seeing the same effect). I think it is to do with QBSP incorrectly spliting brush faces or trying to merge some that shouldn't be. Sometimes deleting the problem brush and redrawing it works (changing the order of brushes in the map file), or you can try spliting the face into triangles yourself to save QBSP the trouble.

#12 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.104], 26/06/2000 14:31 GMT , Refers to Post #10

I've actually had times where I had this greyflash (or Hom in GlQuake) go away after I switched from rvis to Hvis which I use now. Hvis isn't quite as fast as rvis though, but it has got this cute little porgress thing with portals done and portals in total and percentage and estimated time and all the cutsy bits

Now where did I get Hvis from? I don't think it's up for download, LordHavoc that made it sent it to me on IRC so...

RE: Compilers.

#13 Posted by Vondur [194.87.189.190], 27/06/2000 11:25 GMT , Refers to Post #12

hmm, i have to catch LH then =]

Newbie Map Maker..

#14 Posted by daishi [195.92.67.68], 02/07/2000 00:20 GMT

Hi I've just started using Radiant and I've started my very first map (woohoo) but when I compile it and try to see it in Q3 it gets as far as loading the map then dumps me out into the main menu ... which after a day of doing this is becoming a pain in the ass

#15 Posted by killazontherun [203.164.3.164], 02/07/2000 06:06 GMT

In the console type sv_pure 0 first then try loading your map.

#16 Posted by daishi [195.92.67.76], 02/07/2000 17:28 GMT , Refers to Post #15

Also, Daishi

#17 Posted by Lunaran [152.163.213.183], 02/07/2000 18:08 GMT , Refers to Post #14

Remember to put a player start in, because that can do it also.

I went nuts once before trying to find why my map wouldn't load, and it turned out there was no info_player_start.

#18 Posted by GrindSpire [62.7.115.79], 02/07/2000 20:27 GMT

OK, on my new Q1 map I get the following from my compile tools...
** Executing...
** Command: C:Program FilesWorldCraftQToolsQbsp.exe
** Parameters: D:QUAKEID1mapsGSDM3

Transparent water QBSP with Hipnotic extensions
MultiWAD version 1.65
by Ken Alverson based on original code by John Carmack

outputfile: D:QUAKEID1mapsGSDM3.bsp
--- LoadMapFile ---
D:QUAKEID1mapsGSDM3.map
352 brushes
4 entities
7 miptex
20 texinfo
building hulls sequentially...
--- Brush_LoadEntity ---
351 brushes read
---- CSGFaces ----
2837 brushfaces
11327 csgfaces
2090 mergedfaces
----- SolidBSP -----
3123 split nodes
1453 solid leafs
1671 empty leafs
0 water leafs
5051 leaffaces
4694 nodefaces
----- portalize ----
----- FillOutside ----
2302 outleafs
----- SolidBSP -----
866 split nodes
540 solid leafs
327 empty leafs
0 water leafs
2303 leaffaces
2078 nodefaces
MODEL: *1
--- FinishBSPFile ---
WriteBSPFile: D:QUAKEID1mapsGSDM3.bsp
added 0 texture frames
1112 planes 22240
4066 vertexes 48792
2161 nodes 51864
20 texinfo 800
3969 faces 79380
1629 clipnodes 13032
1347 leafs 37716
4372 marksurfaces 8744
15633 surfedges 31266
9772 edges 39088
7 textures 139032
lightdata 0
visdata 0
entdata 378
30.0 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: C:Program FilesWorldCraftQToolsrvis.exe
** Parameters: D:QUAKEID1mapsGSDM3

---- vis ----
LoadPortals: couldn't read D:QUAKEID1mapsGSDM3.prt
No vising performed.

Can someone tell me why it won't VIS? Please...

#19 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.101], 03/07/2000 00:36 GMT

For some oddball reason the Qbsp doesn't go through the MergeAll bit of itself, and thus doesn't write a portalsfile, even though it doesn't leak. I see you're running this from within WorldCraft. Maybe try to run it from a normal Dos prompt. If that doesn't help, try a diffrent Qbsp. You're using WQbsp, which I also use and have had no troubles with, but you never know.

CZG

I Forgot Sumthin'

#20 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.101], 03/07/2000 00:39 GMT , Refers to Post #19

Try running WQbsp with the -verbose command. Maybe that'll reveal some details on your problem.

It Looks To Me

#21 Posted by Lunaran [205.188.192.39], 03/07/2000 01:02 GMT

like that "Fill Outside" part doesn't belong there. It's not supposed to fill outside, it's supposed to fill just the inside.

... is it? Spog?

Dodgy Qbsp'ing

#22 Posted by Tron [203.12.165.144], 03/07/2000 02:37 GMT

I seem to remember having the same problem once myself where it wasn't leaking but still wouldn't compile. Try using a dif version of qbsp, I think that fixed it up for me.

Tron

Q3map -vis Just.. Crashes?

#23 Posted by ->2k<-Seb [212.54.69.132], 03/07/2000 04:25 GMT

yeah, I can bsp and light just fine, but vis just comes up with this:

Q3map has caused an error in Q3MAP.EXE.
Q3map will now close.

The output is here, with verbose on..:

Q3Map v1.0m (c) 1999 Id Software Inc.
---- vis ----
verbose = true
1 threads
qdir: d:quakei~1
gamedir: d:/quakei~1/baseq3/
reading d:quakei~1baseq3mapsctf_22.bsp
reading d:quakei~1baseq3mapsctf_22.prt
1203 portalclusters
3436 numportals
4363 numfaces
6872 active portals
1034 hint portals
visdatasize:182864
0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9... (38)
7 average number of passages per leaf
22 MB required passage memory
0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...

Then it crashes. =(
I've spent all night trying to fix it, but have had no luck..

#24 Posted by ->2k<-Seb [212.54.69.249], 03/07/2000 04:54 GMT , Refers to Post #23

then I simply disconnect from the internet, and then it just vis' perfectly? ..rofl

FUCKING MUTHA...

#25 Posted by than [212.49.240.232], 04/07/2000 10:58 GMT

FUCKING SPARKLIES!?!!?!?!?!??!

what the causes two curves which are aligned perfectly in the editor to become slightly misaligned in game which in turn causes small cracks to appear between them allowing you to see into the hall of mirrors that lies beyond!? WHY DO WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS CRAP!? I tried moving some vertexes along a little bit but the problem still occurs. It only happens on two curves in my map and once of them is a copy of the other anyway so it's more like one. I know you have all (q3 mappers anyway) had this problem at one time or another so can someone give me some help?

please?

-than

RE: FUCKING MUTHA...

#26 Posted by GrindSpire [193.113.185.164], 04/07/2000 21:35 GMT , Refers to Post #25

It doesn't help but I had this problem in Q1, bloody annoying isn't it!

RE: FUCKING MUTHA...

#27 Posted by Maj [193.128.238.146], 06/07/2000 20:38 GMT , Refers to Post #25

Than, you have put caulk behind the curves right?

#28 Posted by than [212.49.252.58], 06/07/2000 21:34 GMT

it's not a caulking prob

RE: FUCKING MUTHA...

#29 Posted by VooDoo6 [24.161.240.62], 07/07/2000 06:33 GMT , Refers to Post #25

Do you have one of the later versions of q3r?
im not completely sure on this, but i think that might have somthing to do with it.

Im prolly wrong but thats the only thing i can think of.

#30 Posted by than [212.49.235.132], 07/07/2000 07:40 GMT

I have q3r 201. Lun already told me the prob was to do with the lod calculations done on the two adjacent patches (I had an inkling of a feeling that this may have been the prob (honest :)). I haven't done this yet but Lun said increasing the patch density of one of the patches should help. Still, I know that will just cause more problems because I am using this patch for a floor, two trims and walls on both sides. The problem only occurs between the floor and the innermost trim on the curve.

Such is life eh?

-than

Grid W/vodoo

#31 Posted by Froasty [208.35.37.13], 07/07/2000 15:51 GMT

I know I've seen this on other boards, but I can't find em' and i could use a hand. Just put a brand spanking new, default load of q3r and vodoo drivers, etc. on my machine. Now I can't see the grid when I open my maps. Is this drivers? Thanks all.

#32 Posted by Lanzelot [212.209.5.155], 08/07/2000 04:57 GMT , Refers to Post #30

If you have multiple curves stacked onto each other, try to break up the caulk brush where the curves are meet. That have helped me and is sugested in the manual under t-junktion cracks.

#33 Posted by than [212.49.241.98], 08/07/2000 12:04 GMT

that's not possible since the curves run along a curve where they meet.

I'm just going to restart the map again anyway so it doesn't matter.

fucken q3 :)

-than

Q3r Problem

#34 Posted by werewolf [212.181.179.231], 09/07/2000 14:19 GMT

i would be very pleased if somebody can help me with a problem i are having with my q3r,
my supporting grids has dissapear , if i scroll over the map it apperas in like a one ms,
to sole this problem i had tried this:
- reinstall q3r(v181 and v191 )
- deleted the register folder and reinstalled the prog again in deafult options.
- reinstlled my 3d-card (voodoo3 2000 pci)
- reinstlled opengl
- ate a big mac (and co!)

observe that a do not have any other grafic bugs , in varius games

RE: Q3r Problem

#35 Posted by Auhsan [212.166.137.162], 09/07/2000 14:53 GMT , Refers to Post #34

go to www.glsetup.com and download the latest glsetup. I had the same problem with my Voodoo Banshee and the latest glsetup drivers solved it.

My Maps Are Too Big :-(

#36 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.112], 10/07/2000 16:40 GMT

Ok, I just started getting the error PF_precache_model: overflow when I load my map (Quake 1). I checked the Quake source and it seems the limit is 256 models.

Could someone familiar with the quake source code please tell me if this is 256 unique models, or do I need to start taking out monsters and items and such?

I guess I can start by converting some of my func_wall entities back into solids - at the expense of r_speeds. Such is life <*sigh*>

#37 Posted by than [212.188.139.25], 10/07/2000 17:49 GMT

try regrouping func_walls that are close by into singular func_walls. that should save on a few.

-than

RE: Suggestion

#38 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.200], 10/07/2000 18:24 GMT , Refers to Post #37

Yeah, good suggestion. I'll do that where I can. Thanks.

RE: My Maps Are Too Big :-(

#39 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.180], 10/07/2000 19:12 GMT , Refers to Post #36

I had that prob in my level, too, and it is 256 unique models yes. I did as than said (although he didn't say it then) and grouped my func_walls and func_illusionaries together, but then I got a "Too many Efrags" warning. (The entities span over too many leafs.) Finally I ended up with me turning all the func_s into ordinary brushes. The errors went away, and the compile time doubled.

RE: RE: My Maps Are Too Big :-(

#40 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.116], 10/07/2000 22:02 GMT , Refers to Post #39

After way too much prodding and poking at the map file, I discovered that the QC file that I have been using in BSP for the last four years has an error in it. It causes trigger_relay's to have a brush model associated with them. Well, since I had 42 trigger_relays, changing them over made the problem go away - for now. I'll just have to watch how many models I add now.

Just too annoy me some more, now I have to chase down one of those leaks where the pointfile goes straight through a solid brush

Don't Know Where...

#41 Posted by maiden22 [216.154.2.246], 10/07/2000 22:18 GMT

...to post this, but can anyone recommend a good mouse for Quake??

Can Anyone...

#42 Posted by ScopoiD [142.163.71.118], 10/07/2000 23:56 GMT

help me out with an idea for a teleporter for this

map I'm working on? I've been pouring over it for 2 or 3 days and all the ones I've come up with don't really match the style...
screenshots of the map
the 3rd shot shows a teleporter I tried, but wasn't satisfied with it.

RE: Can Anyone...

#43 Posted by Lunaran [152.163.194.181], 11/07/2000 01:41 GMT , Refers to Post #42

Go with something bright orangey-red, like a wall of flame or somesuch. That's what I'd do.

Or just use the standard q1 teleporter texture with the beige dots.

RE: RE: Can Anyone...

#44 Posted by ScopoiD [142.163.71.118], 11/07/2000 01:52 GMT , Refers to Post #43

Thanks Lunaran
Bah it's hard to be original :)
Maybe I should be eating more

RE: Don`t Know Where...

#45 Posted by Vondur [194.87.189.190], 11/07/2000 06:46 GMT , Refers to Post #41

1. Razer Boomslang 2000 =) ~100$us - the perfect mouse for the Quake
2. Logitech. There is one model M-UB48. This one has a wheel, but there are mice that have no that wheel if you don't need it. This mouse rocks too. It costs ~8$ ps/2 and ~20$ usb.

Gaming Mice?

#46 Posted by Lunaran [152.163.194.183], 11/07/2000 15:43 GMT

Who needs 'em? I've still got the same old vanilla 3-button dark blue Logitech MouseMan Sensa I've had for years and as long as I keep it clean and happy it works fine. Sure didn't cost no $100 either.

RE: Don`t Know Where...

#47 Posted by Johnny Law [207.17.136.129], 11/07/2000 17:33 GMT , Refers to Post #41

Go to this thread, almost to the bottom, you'll see my opinions about mice.

http://www.quake3world.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/006323-2.html

RE: Gaming Mice?

#48 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.201], 12/07/2000 04:21 GMT , Refers to Post #46

I have this image of lab animals refusing to run mazes; instead they prefer to frag each other in DM4... :)

#49 Posted by maiden22 [216.154.13.120], 12/07/2000 05:07 GMT

thanks Von and JL

RE: Gaming Mice?

#50 Posted by maiden22 [216.154.13.120], 12/07/2000 05:09 GMT , Refers to Post #46

sure, there are better ways to spend $100.. I was just thinking, since I have to buy a new mouse, I thought I might as well get one that's good for Quake. That's all.

RE: RE: Gaming Mice?

#51 Posted by maiden22 [216.154.13.120], 12/07/2000 05:11 GMT , Refers to Post #48

damn you and I have the same colours. Either that or I'm blind.

Those Damn MD3's

#52 Posted by Evicerator [209.209.19.24], 12/07/2000 08:15 GMT

I don't know if any of you have noticed those tight ass shadows in ztn3dm1 (Blood Run) that use the timlamp model to create spidery shadows in the ceilings (you can kinda see them in the upper right area of his screenshot), but I'm trying to recreate that same effect in my map. Unfortunately, I can't figure out how the hell he did it. For starters that damn model doesn't even emit light and secondly, those idiots at ID didn't allow models to be solid (for bullet marks, etc.).

So far:
1.---> I spent literally half a day checking every goddamn website for a clue...nothin'.
2.---> I checked out ID's timlamp shader file. It uses surfaceparm alphashadow which supposedly allows light to be emitted through the alpha portions of the texture, but of course it doesn't. I've never got this to work on anything anyways.
3.---> I tried putting a light entity in the middle of the md3, but again no light emitted.
4.---> Regarding making models solid, the only solution I've heard of is to place a similarly shaped brush around it and apply the cushion texture but this seems damn sloppy.
5.---> I emailed the man himself, ztn.

If any of you guys got the solution or a workaround/trick/idea of some kind please lemme know. Sorry 'bout the long post.

Clipping Solution

#53 Posted by Evicerator [209.209.19.24], 12/07/2000 10:10 GMT , Refers to Post #52

I was looking through the sample maps ID provided and q3dm7sample.map happened to also use this model in the manner I would like to use. Unfortunately they neglected to provide the part that creates the shadows. I did, however, find that the only way to make a md3 "solid" is to, indeed, place a similarly shaped brush around it and apply weapon clip (no telling why they designed it this way but I'll live). Well, one down, one to go.

ShoveL Thought A Title Wasn't Needed

#54 Posted by ShoveL [134.148.24.16], 14/07/2000 06:15 GMT

What does -vlight do? for q3map.exe
I need curvs to cast shados ? :-/

#55 Posted by Jimbo [164.106.40.170], 14/07/2000 16:36 GMT

What exactly does func_wall do?
(In q1

)
How does it lower r_speeds?

Jimbo

RE: Func_wall?

#56 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.55], 14/07/2000 17:43 GMT

A func_wall is just a entity that does nothing bu sit there. (OK, if you trigger it it can change texture but that's it.) If you turn the itty bitty details of your map into func_walls, thy won't split up the bsp into so many leafs, (I better get the terms right or SPoG will have my head,) thus making it vis a lot faster, that's what detail brushes are for in q2 and q3. It would prolly cut down on your r_speeds too, but maybe you'd have to pay for it since you get extra epolys to render. Remember that entities don't block vis, so only turn the little unneccesary bits into them. Basicly they are the same as func_illusionaries, only solid.

That seemed terribly incoherent. Sorry 'bout that.
CZG

#57 Posted by Jimbo [164.106.40.79], 14/07/2000 19:17 GMT , Refers to Post #56

OK that clears up the func_walls.
But what is a leaf exactly?<?>
Is there a glossary somewhere that has all these terms?

<?>Maybe Peej should put one up?<?>

Yes There Is:

#58 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.55], 14/07/2000 19:23 GMT

It's long, complicated, and mostly about Q3, (but applies to Q1 too,) and it's written by SPoG and is located here:
http://www.planetquake.com/spog/stuff/technical.html
Read and weep.

CZG

R_speeds In Q1

#59 Posted by dr0KheaD [62.156.45.31], 14/07/2000 23:29 GMT

I search a FAQ or tutorial about r_speeds in Q1. Can anyone give me a link or some tips how to prevent high r_speeds?? Thanx
-dr0K

RE: R_speeds In Q1

#60 Posted by Lunaran [205.188.192.27], 15/07/2000 14:51 GMT , Refers to Post #59

Two things:
- Don't go mad on the detail. There's only so much stuff you can cram onto the screen in Quake1 no matter how powerful people's computers are getting. Build the map *for quake*.
- Use vis blockers. These are S, L, Z or -O- shaped hallways between rooms that make it impossible to see from one room to another.
- Use func_walls and func_illusionaries. Since they're entities, they won't intersect the rest of the brushes around them and split them into more faces the way they would if they were normal brushes.
- Build smartly. Don't carve, don't use more brushes than you have to, and don't carve.
- Don't carve.

RE: RE: R_speeds In Q1

#61 Posted by Auhsan [212.166.156.9], 15/07/2000 15:28 GMT , Refers to Post #60

there's one thing I haven't understand...

can we carve?

#62 Posted by Lunaran [152.163.204.187], 15/07/2000 17:19 GMT

1) I hate shaders.
2) I hate Q3World.

Does anyone HERE who can actually ANSWER me know how to fix this problem?

RE: RE: RE: R_speeds In Q1

#63 Posted by GrindSpire [193.113.185.164], 15/07/2000 21:09 GMT , Refers to Post #61

Um... I don't think so, but I'm not sure, it's kinda vague...

RE: RE: RE: RE: R_speeds In Q1

#64 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.3], 15/07/2000 22:03 GMT

CARVING IS EVIL.
CARVING MAKES YOUR INTESTINES COME ALIVE AND TIE KNOTS AROUND YOUR AEORTA.
Or at least make your map messy...

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: R_speeds In Q1

#65 Posted by Tron [203.12.165.243], 16/07/2000 06:34 GMT , Refers to Post #64

heh, this reminds me of a tutorial I read a few days ago for some other game on how to make you first room. Basically it went "make a cube, hollow it, then carve holes into the walls where you want doors and windows.

Tron

RE: RE: R_speeds In Q1

#66 Posted by dr0KheaD [62.224.20.179], 16/07/2000 10:10 GMT , Refers to Post #60

Thanx Lun!!!
BTW: Coriolis Storm Rocks!!!

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: R_speeds In Q1

#67 Posted by Auhsan [212.73.46.15], 16/07/2000 13:45 GMT , Refers to Post #64

Carving is evil, but it's soooooo fun. Try to make and sphere carving a 8 sides poligon.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: R_speeds In Q1

#68 Posted by GrindSpire [62.7.78.43], 16/07/2000 16:47 GMT , Refers to Post #67

OK, tried that, and half my RAM has just burnt out! (that bit is serious) :-(

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: R_speeds In Q1

#69 Posted by Auhsan [212.73.45.29], 16/07/2000 19:16 GMT , Refers to Post #68

hehe!stop mapping in a gameboy

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: R_speeds In Q1

#70 Posted by GrindSpire [195.99.46.254], 16/07/2000 19:26 GMT , Refers to Post #69

OK, I'm not serious about the mapping bit, but I did burn out half my RAM last night!

#71 Posted by Vondur [194.87.189.208], 16/07/2000 19:27 GMT

Carving is the useful feature, use it wise.
For example: if you want to make a square window, you can carve it using one brush instead of drawing 4 brushes manually. It won't mess your map since this is the simple form.
So, use carving wise.

And of course, build with speed in mind.

Wad File Needed

#72 Posted by IsmiteU [24.26.89.219], 16/07/2000 23:24 GMT

I've looked everywhere and I'm attempting to locate both a Plywood & Pine 2X4 textures. If anyone knows where I could find these pls let me know ASAP. :)

Here I Go Again!

#73 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.205.78], 17/07/2000 02:42 GMT

I'm attempting to rebuild that Q1SP map with the trigger_counter and trigger_relay and the message on the door again. Confused? So am I -- after I deleted the old (working) version:

Okay. I've got three sets of doors -- one to the left and the right, and one in the middle. The middle set of doors has the trigger_multiple which brings up the message "go thru the other doors before here". The idea is to have the trigger_counter count off the passing of the other two rooms beyond the other sets of doors before the middle set opens, and the message becomes inert. Bare in mind also that a trigger_multiple doesn't allow a "targetname" key, so you can't name the trigger brush, and that while the door itself can have a message display, it'll only do so when the door itself is triggered.

I thought I had it all down on a document file, but I didn't. I suck so fucking hard, I know.

I promise I'll never bring this up again if someone can tell me how to do this. Scout's honor (even tho I never was one).

RE: Here I Go Again!

#74 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.199.204], 18/07/2000 00:48 GMT , Refers to Post #73

Ignore that post. With help (CZG, Ray, Fats), I got it beat.

Mapping Advice!

#75 Posted by GibFest [212.38.174.60], 18/07/2000 18:35 GMT

Right to start off, I`d like to know how everybody goes about making a map (Q1)...

I mean like when WorldCraft boots up, what is the first thing you do, coz I myself start from the floor and work up and never ever seem to be able to finish a map coz a new idea comes along I just gotta try and it won`t fit into the current level so as a result I`ve ended up with about 50 bits of level.

So....

What I want to know is how u go about mapping e.g. Do you make preparations or just jump into worldcraft, and how do you stick with such a map when all these new fangled images come into your mind.

Ohh yeah and what music do you listen to when mapping, anything would help.

It is the most annoying thing in the world to not be abled to finished a map.

Ohh yeah and I was seeing what my nice new coloured name would look like.

Better Colour

#76 Posted by GibFest [212.38.174.60], 18/07/2000 18:40 GMT

This should be a bit better colour hopefully...

phew

RE: Mapping Advice!

#77 Posted by IsmiteU [168.213.1.134], 18/07/2000 18:50 GMT , Refers to Post #75

ewww soooo Green :) I'm mapping "On the Fly" cuz I have no freaking idea what I'm doing. Music? what music I listen to explosions and large ammounts of ammunition going offfrom my son's PC :P

#78 Posted by IsmiteU [168.213.1.134], 18/07/2000 18:51 GMT

I've realized I am the worlds worst speller.

RE: RE: Mapping Advice!

#79 Posted by GibFest [212.38.174.60], 18/07/2000 19:00 GMT , Refers to Post #77

I`m trying to make the transistion from Reviewer to Reviewer and Mapper and am finding it quite hard.

Damn fast reply tho Izzy 8)

as for the music, I find it hard to map without. Cypress Hill are a prime example of music to map to or some Drum and Bass.

Which brings me to another query... How do I get a music track to play in a Quake1 level like a *.wav or *.mp3 not CD?

##------------------------------##

Ohh BTW D&B fans hit THIS SITE, just a blokey who makes music but some of his D&B and Experimental stuff is the bollox.

#80 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.189], 18/07/2000 20:34 GMT , Refers to Post #79

How do I get a music track to play in a Quake1
level like a *.wav or *.mp3 not CD?
You can't, No waw without modified QC, no mp3 without modified exe.

RE: Mapping Advice!

#81 Posted by dr0KheaD [62.156.20.45], 18/07/2000 21:42 GMT , Refers to Post #75

I just do, what comes into my mind. When I get an idea that won't work in my current map, I do a new one. So far it's just like you do, but:
After a while I return to one of my unfinished maps and complete them (or bring them closer to completeness at last)
I usually have 3-6 unfinished maps on my drive.
About the music:
Industrial!!!! Industrial fits best to Q1 DM. Or electronical stuff, but that just for the mapping, not to play by.
Some Bands: FearFactory, Nine Inch Nails, Triggerpimp, The Shizit, Die Krupps, Corpse #87

RE: Mapping Advice!

#82 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.206.177], 18/07/2000 22:53 GMT , Refers to Post #75

Try to keep yourself focused by drawing out some ideas on graph paper or whatever. This especially helps with DM, since you have to remember to keep things compact and up to speed. Once you get a *basic* idea for the overall design, you can be real flexible as far as improvising any extra areas or arch. details.

Don't worry about starting over! On my current Q1 (formerly q2, formerly Unreal) DM map, I've done just about everything I can think of, and rebuilt it at least five or six times! It's almost like "meditiating upon a theme", if you wanna get the boots out. You learn how to cut corners in certian areas, and embellish upon others. THAT'S what helps you as a mapper, IMHO -- just doing it.

Take yout time with it. Nothing worse than a rushed map, since once you've released it, everyone says "why didn't you do this or that?" and you know they're right -- and you would've thought of it had you taken more time. Believe me, I've had experience in this dept...

Hope this helps -- it's what the best mappers I know have been telling me, and they're right.

btw I've listened to King Crimson, Manson, and NIN when mapping -- just really intense stuff, which goes well with frenetic gaming.

RE: RE: Mapping Advice!

#83 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.206.177], 18/07/2000 22:56 GMT , Refers to Post #82

Hehe -- nothing worse than a RUSHED POST either!

#84 Posted by IsmiteU [24.26.89.202], 19/07/2000 01:54 GMT

It's nice to hear someones taken the same map and redone it a bunch of times. I don't know I feel really pressured to put a map out. I know I create my on pressure but then again I feel like if I don't get it out no one will ever take a look at it.

#85 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.200.58], 19/07/2000 09:43 GMT , Refers to Post #84

Yeah, I know what you mean -- but it's better to have a few good maps than a bunch of shitty ones.

IMO, if you're anxious for someone to see what you've done, just mail a buddy and see if he wants to beta an early version -- mebbe get a few tips out of them. That way you can get feedback immediately, and help with your map at the same time.

#86 Posted by than [212.188.147.142], 19/07/2000 10:50 GMT

I need to find somewhere or someone that has the custents for quake file. I have been to the custents homepage but the file is not there (ARGH!!!!). I need a version that works with worldcraft so if anyone has the latest custents the PLEASE send it to me/upload it/tell me another url I can get it.

This is for a q1sp. I could use the following:
 better ambient sound support
 perhaps a couple more base enemies
 breakable stuff
 earthquakes
 rotating stuff would be nice

HELP ME!!

-than

#87 Posted by than [212.188.147.142], 19/07/2000 10:53 GMT

I was sure the thingy characters worked.



I bet it works now.

-than

#88 Posted by GibFest [62.7.50.140], 19/07/2000 17:19 GMT

#89 Posted by inertia [199.35.236.57], 19/07/2000 22:27 GMT , Refers to Post #88

GIBFEST!!!

Erm, just thought I'd let you know your color is nearly identical to NotoriousRay's :)

RE: Custents

#90 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.205.61], 19/07/2000 23:44 GMT , Refers to Post #86

I wanna use that Q3 chant sound in me Q1SP! Damn, but it would kick ass...

RE: Custents

#91 Posted by Nightbringer [203.109.252.15], 20/07/2000 01:53 GMT , Refers to Post #86

I'm not sure where to find CustEnts; you could try Zerstorer though, it's got at least breakables and extra base enemies (mega-enforcer, turret).

Awhile ago I was messing around with this sort of stuff, and ended up adding a bunch of miscellanea to q1, including some of what you're looking for. I've dug it out, fixed the fgd, and uploaded it. Not sure how useful it'll be (not very, is my estimate); but you can grab it from here.

Than Wuz Axin Me

#92 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.202], 20/07/2000 08:06 GMT

...earlier, so I'll send him my Custents zip, and tell him to:

1) Look up the word "Cranked" on filePlanet, for monster powerups

2) See the PainKeep site for a pak full of nice sounds

Now where are my pants!?

It's Ok!!!!

#93 Posted by than [212.49.230.33], 20/07/2000 08:52 GMT

I found custents and have decided that zerstorer is probably the better bet. thanks for everyone's help anyway.

-than

RE: RE: Custents

#94 Posted by Lunaran [152.163.197.81], 20/07/2000 14:54 GMT , Refers to Post #90

Which sound, biff? Don't you have q3?

On Q3dm14 (?)

#95 Posted by than [212.49.229.110], 20/07/2000 15:38 GMT

when you walk near the jesus statue you can hear chanting. Thta's prolly the sound he means.

-than

RE: On Q3dm14 (?)

#96 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.198.177], 20/07/2000 23:14 GMT , Refers to Post #95

Yes, yes -- that'n. I'd have to do some pak file surgery wouldn't I? Rename it to one of the already-existing ambient sounds? Right?

RE: RE: On Q3dm14 (?)

#97 Posted by GrindSpire [212.126.144.12], 20/07/2000 23:40 GMT , Refers to Post #96

Yes, that's right

Q1 Func_train Prob

#98 Posted by than [212.49.236.160], 21/07/2000 13:12 GMT

In my map I have a hollow crate with an item/monster (not decided yet :) inside it. The crate consosts of two func_trains, the crate and it's lid. These are triggered separately by a couple of trigger relays (which are triggered by a button). The whole thing moves along a path then stops by using a wait key of -1 at the end path corners to stop them. When the player gets around to where the crate has ended up there is another button. This triggers the lid of the crate and also a bar which carries the lid off. The problem is that the bar will move but the lid just stays where it is.

I have gotten all the names and path corners set up correctly as far as I know (I have checked). Is quake capable of restarting a func_train or not? Should I be using a different wait key? (is -1 correct if I want to retrigger it?) ARGH! help!

btw, I plan on using Quake c mods for other things so perhaps there is a func_train capable of being retriggered?

Also, is there a qbsp which lets you tie clip brushes to solid entities?

-than

RE: Q1 Func_train Prob

#99 Posted by Tyrann [203.152.232.29], 21/07/2000 15:41 GMT , Refers to Post #98

You cannot restart a func_train in Quake once it has stopped. Ever (well, not without your own QC).

#100 Posted by than [212.188.130.219], 21/07/2000 15:58 GMT

#101 Posted by than [212.49.251.250], 21/07/2000 21:03 GMT

doesn't matter aboot the func_train stuff now anyway as I set it up with perfect timing instead so it now all happens with one button press but looks much cooler.

Hopefully Fatty will let me use the OUM code so I can use earthquakes, breakables and forcefields. As well as thos extra base monsters.

-than

#102 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.202], 22/07/2000 05:26 GMT , Refers to Post #101

Only if you let me stick you between Tyrann and Tronyn, sunshine :)

I'll tell you when a vaguely playable alpha of Towne is ready.

#103 Posted by than [212.49.232.66], 22/07/2000 09:01 GMT

that means presumably you want me to help with oum if I am using the oum code and stuff? well, my map is kind of designed to be a self contained map but if you wanted I could make a separate version for oum (if you let me redistribute the oum progs.dat with a separate version of my map). My map is probably about 60-70% complete at the moment with most of the time consuming stuff out of the way.

-than

#104 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.202], 22/07/2000 12:21 GMT , Refers to Post #103

Depends what you want to use from the OUM QuakeC. Mail me with your requirements and I'll whip up a custom version - sort of like DaMaul and his Bestial Devastation for Zerstörer.

#105 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 23/07/2000 01:40 GMT

The mean arena Q3 - UT mod thingy copied my map idea... which I copied off UT, but still! :)
But mines for q2.

#106 Posted by Jimbo [216.12.53.19], 23/07/2000 22:08 GMT

What func_ is the one to make it easier for players to walk around "decorative" protrusions in <q1? DM maps?
Is it fun_illusionary?

RE: Func_???

#107 Posted by Jimbo [216.12.53.19], 23/07/2000 22:09 GMT , Refers to Post #106

hmm...
Such atrocious spelling.
One might think I was public schooled.

RE: Func_???

#108 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.137.146], 23/07/2000 22:18 GMT , Refers to Post #107

yeah. func_illusionary is what you are after. either that or some clip brushes.

#109 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.204.193], 23/07/2000 22:24 GMT

Has anybody had any problems compiling spotlights with Arghlite? I'm using a light with a mangle key (0 -90 0, pointing downwards), and Arghlite completely ignores this (produces a normal light). Only Tyrlite will take any notice, but I'd have to redo all the lighting values on the map, since its considerably dimmer than Arghlite compile.

#110 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.137.146], 24/07/2000 02:21 GMT , Refers to Post #109

if it works anything like arghrad, then you don't need 3 values in there. it should just be _mangle = -90 0 (if memory is serving me properly tonite).

RE: RE: WTF?

#111 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.199.36], 24/07/2000 02:49 GMT , Refers to Post #110

Nah -- doesn't work. Besides, you only need the "_" in the keyname for q2 anyway.

#112 Posted by Tyrann [210.8.224.2], 24/07/2000 04:29 GMT , Refers to Post #109

Try playing with the "-dist n" and "-range n" parameters to tweak the brightness (I mean in TyrLite of course).

#113 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.137.146], 24/07/2000 04:45 GMT , Refers to Post #111

but do you need all three of those values is what I was talkin about.

#114 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.116], 24/07/2000 08:38 GMT , Refers to Post #113

but do you need all three of those values is what I was talkin about.

Yes you do, but the third value doesn't do anything - it's just a placeholder to make it look like the regular mangle values. As you might know, the values represent "yaw pitch roll" - and of course it doesn't make sense to "roll" beams of light ;-)

#115 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.207.186], 24/07/2000 13:21 GMT , Refers to Post #112

That's some of that DOS box stuff, isn't it? I avoid that thing whenever possible. I know, I know -- I'm a DOS wuss.

#116 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.137.127], 24/07/2000 18:00 GMT , Refers to Post #114

ok, then it does act a little bit differently than arghrad does.

Curved Ramp

#117 Posted by Evicerator [209.209.19.122], 25/07/2000 01:53 GMT

I've added a half circle ramp that fits the area correctly but the sections are torqued so that the texture is warped in some pie shaped sections. When you run up it you bounce like you're running up stairs. What gives?

RE: Curved Ramp

#118 Posted by Lunaran [205.188.198.48], 25/07/2000 03:40 GMT , Refers to Post #117

If we're talking q3 here, which I think we are, I've got a curved ramp in lun3dm2 that does the same thing. Couldn't find a good way around it. The only solution is a higher detail level, which smooths out the polies more. If the ramp is a full semicircle, I'd try to go as high as a width of 9 (that's four segments).

RE: RE: Curved Ramp

#119 Posted by Evicerator [209.209.20.9], 25/07/2000 22:36 GMT , Refers to Post #118

I've played that map many a time on my clan's custom server and I noticed how clean your ramp looked which is partially why I asked the question. Thanks for the reply; a big help.

#120 Posted by GibFest [193.113.185.163], 29/07/2000 13:39 GMT

How would I have a different skin on a grunt or any monster which I place in my SP map?

I am making a Storage Facility using the IKBase Tex and I need more Army type looking people on the main base e.g. the Doom bloke and I am gonna use the normal monster skins on the underground genetic experiment type level.

#121 Posted by BARiUM [62.20.133.147], 29/07/2000 14:28 GMT , Refers to Post #120

you'll have to make your on game dir (ie not id1) then you will have to copy the monster there and extract the skin from the model (you can do that with quark if you want..) then you'll just skin it.. kinda..

#122 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.186.127], 29/07/2000 22:12 GMT , Refers to Post #120

if both levels are part of one bigger batch of maps, then you are going to have to create a new monster type or sumthin like that, too. would probly require a bit of coding and some renaming of files.

then again, i could be way off and it could be pretty easy.

#123 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.200], 29/07/2000 23:14 GMT , Refers to Post #120

First, I'd recommend getting some model viewer like, um, QuakeMe. It's old as hell, and clunky as f00k, but it allows you to add skins in a two-step process (first you have to increase the number of skins allocated to your model, then import the desired skin as a BMP.)

The grunt's mesh is much like the player's, but the skins may have to be cropped or resized slightly as the grunt skin is a little smaller. If you don't you'll get nasty black patches in places - not good.

Finally, once you've got your model skinned, open up the SOLDIER.QC file, and right at the bottom, you type in monster_army:

if (!self.dmg)
self.skin = 0; // base skin
else
self.skin = self.dmg; // select-a-skin

Admittedly all this does is give you the same old grunt in different clobber. Fortunately there are patches around (I can't remember where) which give grunty-poos more power; it's just cut and paste.

#124 Posted by Jimbo [216.12.50.6], 30/07/2000 03:46 GMT

Can ANYONE HELP?
Using "iklite.exe" to lite a

q1 map
and I'm getting the following error...

*** BEGIN LIGHT ***

76 entities read
Starting lighting thread.
Lighting 7213 faces total.

*** Error ***
Bad surface extents

What does "Bad surface extents" mean?
(I'm using txqbsp for the main compile
and rvis for the vis.)

#125 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.116], 30/07/2000 05:33 GMT , Refers to Post #124

It usually means there's some kind of invalid brush in your map. If not then some particular part of your map is confusing QBSP.

Try to either:
1. find and eliminate the problem brush(es) 2. perhaps just a diferent QBSP will help (but probably not).

#126 Posted by GibFest [62.7.115.172], 30/07/2000 13:58 GMT

.. You lot.

Here is another Query for everyone 8).

I hope this doesn`t sound stupid but how do I get a door to open only if I`ve already picked up the key?

I don`t want it to open when I get thew key just let me through if I have it.

Also if I don`t have a key I want it to say "Get The Silver Key".

#127 Posted by GibFest [62.7.115.172], 30/07/2000 14:36 GMT

..How would I get one of those forcefields into my levels to be like the chambers for the shamblers etc

#128 Posted by BARiUM [62.20.133.204], 30/07/2000 15:24 GMT , Refers to Post #126

spawnflags... 8 is gold key 16, is silver ( i think )

#129 Posted by Auhsan [212.73.46.145], 30/07/2000 22:09 GMT

Uhm... got problem compiling my q3map

I can compile it with fastvis but when i try to compile it with fullvis i cant. fullvis have been 6 hours compiling in my PII-400 128 Mb. I have try it in a K7-600 and it gave me the same problems. There are no warnings or problems in the q3r log...=(

If someones want the map to compile it i would be happy, or if somebody knows the solution give it to me.

argh!

RE: To Fatty..

#130 Posted by Fat Controller [210.55.84.191], 31/07/2000 07:33 GMT , Refers to Post #127

Forcefields (in OUM, Ritual or Custents) are actually comprised of at least three elements:

1. func_togglewall - the thing doing the actual blocking. Set to "start on" and "toggle" with a targetname.

2. func_particlefield - makes the pretty flashes. Powered by a func_counter. Set the "use count" flag and set it to fire on the count of one.

3. func_counter - actually a point entity. Shares the same targetname as the func_togglewall. Set to loop, start on and toggle, with a count of 2 and a time step of 0.5-1 second.

Multiple func_particlefields can be arranged for a working forcefield, running off the one counter. Nice wave effect.

#131 Posted by Jimbo [164.106.40.169], 31/07/2000 16:43 GMT , Refers to Post #125

I tried another qbsp(qbsp256) but got lot's of little gaps in the walls I'm thinkin it's the floating point textures so I've decided to:
<br>
1. find and eliminate the problem brush(es)
<br>
By the simple expedient of restoring from backup and rebuilding that section of the map
(`bout 200 brushes).

A Few Mapping Questions:

#132 Posted by Grahf [209.145.68.56], 02/08/2000 02:33 GMT

I'm trying to light my Q1 map with the mac port of Tyrlite (though that shouldn't make a difference). I get the following output; the map lights fine without -extra.

----- TyrLite v0.3beta -----
extra sampling enabled
14 entities read, 8 are lights.
There are 719 faces to light
************ ERROR ************
light < 0

No more lighting is performed. Light less than 0? I'm not using antilights or anything. Annoying thing is, sometimes this happens part of the way through lighting, sometimes at the beginning, and sometimes not at all. Is this a common problem?

Also, has anybody conclusively figured out what the infamous "cutnodePortals_R: new portal was clipped away" actually means? I've read several different explanations. Sometimes my map won't seal when I get the error, sometimes it will.

Q3Radiant Woes

#133 Posted by Kayin [216.127.1.149], 02/08/2000 04:28 GMT

embarking down the road to deflowering my q3radiant ways... (first time) and i'll be damned if it REFUSES to work.

i get a dialog asking for a .prj file upon starting q3radiant and then it shuts down with an error? i config'ed everything fine as far as i can see and NOTHIng seems to work.. (snagged the recent version)

anyone mind telling me how they got radiant to peacefully coexist? i want to get dirty with q3 but can't even find the hole...

this keeps up and i'll be back to mapping for q1 again with my dirty whore worldcraft...

Q3Radiant Woes (cont)

#134 Posted by Kayin [216.127.1.149], 02/08/2000 04:29 GMT

running win2k btw

RE: Q3Radiant Woes

#135 Posted by Maj [193.128.238.146], 02/08/2000 13:14 GMT , Refers to Post #133

Which version are you using? Some are actually upgrades to a previous version rather than a full install.

The latest recommended version is Build 201, available at http://www.qeradiant.com/files.cgi?dirin=Q3Radiant/

RE: RE: Q3Radiant Woes

#136 Posted by GrindSpire [213.120.62.67], 02/08/2000 19:12 GMT , Refers to Post #135

Don't forget you will still need full install. I think the last full install was build 181, then just stick whatever over that. I am using the 202 beta and it is fine for me, plus the new compact texture menu rocks :-)

RE: A Few Mapping Questions:

#137 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.113], 03/08/2000 13:37 GMT , Refers to Post #132

----- TyrLite v0.3beta -----
extra sampling enabled
14 entities read, 8 are lights.
There are 719 faces to light
************ ERROR ************
light < 0

I can't really see where this could happen. In fact I'm pretty sure that it can't happen (but obviously it did). I assume you aren't using minlighting, so just add the key "light" "1" to the worldspawn and the problem should go away. If you are using minlighting, then something wierd is going on...

Half-life Editior??

#138 Posted by ][v][aster [206.170.65.10], 03/08/2000 22:43 GMT

Hi, I was wondering if someone could be kind enough to give me a link to a page where I can learn about and download a level editor for Half-life/Counter-strike?? Any help would be appreciated...

RE: Half-life Editior??

#139 Posted by Lunaran [152.163.195.188], 04/08/2000 14:49 GMT , Refers to Post #138

The half-life ERC

Minlight Doesn'y Help...

#140 Posted by Grahf [209.145.68.211], 04/08/2000 22:48 GMT , Refers to Post #137

----- TyrLite v0.3beta -----
extra sampling enabled
Using minlight value 1 from command line.
14 entities read, 8 are lights.
There are 719 faces to light
************ ERROR ************
light < 0

I ran tyrlite again, with -light 1, and the results were the same. Note that this is with the mac port of tyrlite, which may well have issues not present in the PC version.

I'll editing the worldspawn next.

Hmm, No Title

#141 Posted by Grahf [209.145.68.211], 04/08/2000 22:49 GMT

Err, I'll try editing the worldspawn next.

Spellchecking is a virtue.

Hmm, No Title

#142 Posted by Grahf [209.145.68.211], 04/08/2000 22:49 GMT

Err, I'll try editing the worldspawn next.

Spellchecking is a virtue.

How Did I Manage That?

#143 Posted by Grahf [209.145.68.211], 04/08/2000 22:51 GMT

RE: Minlight Doesn`y Help...

#144 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.116], 05/08/2000 03:14 GMT , Refers to Post #140

Ok, I didn't realise it was on the Mac.

That version of Tyrlite is pretty old, and was ported to the Mac by a guy called Phaedrus Qtensilius (I hope I got that right). I don't know if he's still around, since his wadtool site seems to be missing [ http://wadtool.quakeintosh.com ], but I found this email address on MacQuaker.com if you want to try and contact him.

Q3R Blues..

#145 Posted by maiden [216.154.4.126], 06/08/2000 05:45 GMT

I SUSPECT Q3RADIANT IS B0RKED AGAIN!!! The red flag (on one of the walls in the main atrium in Q3TOURNEY4) has a black triangle around it and no longer moves/vibrates since I installed v2.02. Fuck not again!!

Hmm, No Title

#146 Posted by Grahf [209.145.69.99], 07/08/2000 01:45 GMT , Refers to Post #144

Hmm, thanks for the email address. Quakeintosh has been down for quite some time (replaced by some UT clan site, bleh), btw.

Now here's something really wierd: I built another map just to make sure it was a problem specific to the map. The first time I tried lighting, it failed with the familiar light < 0 error I had been seeing on the 200th or so face. I tried it a few more times out of frustation. Oddly enough, it compiled all the way on the 4th try.

----- TyrLite v0.3beta -----
extra sampling enabled
light entity compression enabled
Using minlight value 2 from command line.
98 entities read, 5 are lights.
There are 2088 faces to light
Lighting face 2088 of 2088
Lighting Completed.

lightdatasize: 23558
0 switchable light styles
50.0 seconds elapsed

Perfect. Of course now the map won't vis, but that's unrelated. =)

What Is The Best Version Of Radiant...

#147 Posted by -=Blitz=- [63.214.106.248], 07/08/2000 02:17 GMT

Latest QERadiant

#148 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.188.110], 07/08/2000 04:21 GMT , Refers to Post #147

is build #147. it's here

Q1 Trigger_monsterjump Entity

#149 Posted by than [212.49.235.70], 07/08/2000 10:03 GMT

I have a bit in my map which overlooks an area you reach early on and it is to house 2 enforcers. Later the player reaches this area and I want a fiend to teleport in and jump out at the player from beleow (the player appears from above when he/she comes round to it). This would need a trigger_monsterjump entity to work properly. The thing is, as the place is formerly occupied by enforcers, they would end up jumping aorund and looking fucking stupid. Is there a way to make the trigger work only with certain monsters?

-than

btw, I know about the hipnotic cnt key but this would be no use as it only sets the amount of times it can be used so an enforcer would trigger it, look dumb and then the fiend wouldn't jump at all as the trigger would be killed by then. Grr

Do I Need 135 Too? Or Can I Jus Get 147?

#150 Posted by -=Blitz=- [63.214.69.216], 07/08/2000 17:15 GMT , Refers to Post #148

#151 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.187.229], 07/08/2000 17:54 GMT , Refers to Post #150

it says so in the file descriptions on their d/l page that you need both 135 and 147 since 147 is just an .exe update.

I'm Gunna Take This Space To Ask....

#152 Posted by -=Blitz=- [63.214.109.137], 07/08/2000 20:31 GMT , Refers to Post #151

another technical question. When I use OpenGL mode for Quake 2, I get a wicked crappy framerate. (10-20 FPS) But I like the lighting and texturing way better on it. I think that my system is good enough to run OpenGL smoothly, but I guees not. AMD - k6 466 mhz 64MB RAM 10 GB hardrive? Is there a patch or something I could get to make it run faster?

#153 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.187.229], 07/08/2000 23:10 GMT , Refers to Post #152

what kind of 3d card do you have?

if you don't have a 3d accelerator that supports OpenGL rendering modes, then it is forcing your cpu to not only run the game, but do opengl rendering (which is waaaay more than it should be doing at once). If you have a 3dfx voodoo/voodoo2 then you do not have a 3d card with OpenGL support (they have a hacked, very shabby opengl driver to achieve q3 support).

#154 Posted by -=Blitz=- [63.214.72.185], 08/08/2000 00:29 GMT , Refers to Post #153

I have MMX rendering. I guess my question is...is 30 FPS good for OpenGL.

#155 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.187.229], 08/08/2000 02:37 GMT , Refers to Post #154

but if you're getting a steady 30 FPS thru cpu rendering, then your doin alright. MMX rendering of OpenGL is nothing that you should be playing games on.

#156 Posted by NotoriousRay [199.75.226.95], 08/08/2000 16:58 GMT

i remember hearing this problem early on when q3 tools were released, but now i'm encountering it now that i started my ra3 map. see since the first arena is so small (and the only one partially built) it is fullbrite ingame. how do i fix this, or can i?

#157 Posted by Lunaran [205.188.192.26], 08/08/2000 17:01 GMT , Refers to Post #156

Sometimes pulling down the console and putting it back up again gets the lighting going.

You could also just make the map bigger by putting in a huge hollow box next to it with 2 or 3 2000-watt lights in it.

#158 Posted by GrindSpire [62.7.61.149], 08/08/2000 17:53 GMT

Type vidrestart or something like that...

Borked Colours

#159 Posted by Tron [203.38.138.22], 08/08/2000 23:51 GMT

This isn't really a problem as such but does anyone know what the deal is when occasionally you load up a map and all the palattes stuffed up. Bringing down teh console then putting it back up fixes it, but it looks really trippy. Does anyone know what causes it?

Tron

#160 Posted by NotoriousRay [4.17.66.144], 09/08/2000 01:47 GMT , Refers to Post #157

thanks for the tip, i'll try the big light box idea and see if that works, cuz the console doesn't do anything at all

Q2 Textures

#161 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 11/08/2000 00:57 GMT

I need some 'future' textures to make the map im doing look good. Its set in space btw.
Some links for good techy textures for Q2 would be nice
Ta in advance

Q2 Textures

#162 Posted by Friction [193.229.255.17], 12/08/2000 14:29 GMT , Refers to Post #161

The Reckoning by Xatrix (q2 addon) has some really nice unused techy textures. Im not sure if aynone has them online for DL though.

Q2 Textures

#163 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 14/08/2000 01:01 GMT

Thanks Friction, I think I know where to get them from
Opiates Warehouse

#164 Posted by CZG [148.122.66.52], 14/08/2000 15:36 GMT

As we all know, the lush Small Pile of Gibs SPoG, (and I think mister Fingers had something to do with that too,) has schemed a failsafe method of creating complex curves in Q1Q2 by using 12 sided and 24 sided cylinders.
Now I've memorized the 12 sided cylinder plan; 0:1 1:2 2:1 1:0
But I have no recollection at all of how the 24 sided cylinder bit was.
So could some enlightened being be so kind as to please type it here, so I may use it at my will.
Thank you.

CZG

Re: SPoGism

#165 Posted by CZG [148.122.66.52], 14/08/2000 22:07 GMT

I'll just reply to myself here for future reference, as I got the answer from the man himself in #TF :
0:2 1:4 2:4 3:3 4:2 4:1 2:0

CZG

Is It Just Me

#166 Posted by Peej [194.83.240.36], 15/08/2000 01:28 GMT , Refers to Post #165

or does anyof this make any sense to anyone??

Makes Sense To Me.

#167 Posted by Lunaran [205.188.199.22], 15/08/2000 02:18 GMT , Refers to Post #166

Those are the ratios of the angles of the sides of one-quarter of a 24-sided cylinder.

First side is vertical in the xy view - ration 0:2. The next side slopes in at 1/4, then another side slopes in at 1/2, etc.

#168 Posted by than [212.188.153.73], 15/08/2000 08:07 GMT

makes sense to all those who use those types of cylinders for simulated curves in q1/q2 ... an Lunaran, obviously :)

-than

/me Understood It...

#169 Posted by GrindSpire [193.113.185.164], 15/08/2000 14:29 GMT

personally I use:

1:4 3:3 4:1

No No No....

#170 Posted by Akaroo [169.207.115.80], 15/08/2000 18:41 GMT

Bah, you don't know who I am but i would go with 0:2 1:4 2:4 3:3 4:2 4:1 2:0

Oh.. and half-life mappers are better =P

#171 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.188.2], 15/08/2000 20:34 GMT , Refers to Post #170

Oh.. and half-life mappers are better =P

yeah, sure. whatever. at least I got a good laugh today.

Aaaaaaargh!!!

#172 Posted by Auhsan [62.82.136.161], 15/08/2000 21:27 GMT

just carve a cube with a cylinder and shut up =].

And remember that carve it's evil, but so fun.

#173 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.188.2], 15/08/2000 21:32 GMT , Refers to Post #172

but then you lose the nice, easy scalability that comes along with the ratios that SPoG, Lun, and many others have stumbled on to.

go ahead and carve that bitch. now lets see you clone and scale the entire thing to 2x the size it once was. icky mess.

Carving Cylinders.

#174 Posted by Tron [203.38.138.22], 15/08/2000 23:43 GMT

I was once a sad little man who used carve excessively. I used it a lot in trondm1 to do all those curves, as a consequence texturing was a bitch and the thing was full of leaks.

Carving = Evil
Vertex Manipulation = Good

Tron

#175 Posted by Lunaran [205.188.192.28], 16/08/2000 02:01 GMT

Curve Patches = Better.

I am not going to ask what makes HL mappers "better". I know in akaroo's sentence "better" doesn't have any applicable definition (better game? no. more skilled? says who?) and this thread doesn't need that bullshit anyway.

Personally...

#176 Posted by GrindSpire [193.113.185.132], 16/08/2000 08:08 GMT

I feel that the more skilled mappers are the ones pushing the engines to the limits. Yes, you may have made a nice map. But that takes less skill than someone who uses the engine to produce something amazing that is far beyond what is expected. Examples of this are some of the newer Quake maps, the authors have used the engine's full capicity. Yes, a Quake 3 map may look nicer but the person who made a Quake map that doesn't look quite so good is still more skilled as it requires less skill to make a nice looking Quake 3 map...

Hmm... I think I have a subject for my next column update :-)

Grindspire...

#177 Posted by Auhsan [212.166.137.243], 16/08/2000 12:57 GMT , Refers to Post #176

arent so easy to use, It's easier to do a curve with brushes cos the textures are easier to align, in patch curves its fucking annoying.

And light your map it's easier in q1 cos theres no color lights. Color lights can fuck your map if u use it bad, as happens many times...Examples of color lights used well: lun3dmx, bal3dm2, yogi's map (dont remember the name)...and...and..uhm...not much more.

I'm not saying that mapping for q1 its easier than for q3... it's just different.

#178 Posted by Auhsan [212.166.137.243], 16/08/2000 13:05 GMT

arent so easy to use
I was refering to patch curves =]

Curve Patches

#179 Posted by Lunaran [205.188.195.33], 16/08/2000 16:32 GMT

They're pretty easy to align if you're used to how it works and are familiar with what the different functions like set and cap will do.

Maybe I should write a brief tutorial on how it works to post here ...

#180 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.138.161], 16/08/2000 17:04 GMT , Refers to Post #179

I think it's pretty easy to align textures on a patch. it might take a bit of time, but it surely isn't that hard. one important thing to remember is that the cap alignment only works on horizontal caps. took me forever to catch on to that one. ;p

Oh, Kanaeda

#181 Posted by Lunaran [205.188.192.23], 16/08/2000 21:25 GMT , Refers to Post #180

you have so much yet to learn. :)

Pressing shift-control-N changes the application direction. It cycles through all three axes, positive and negative.

#182 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.188.140], 16/08/2000 22:05 GMT , Refers to Post #181

I didn't even know that shortcut was there. thanks man. saves alot of hassle. :)

/me HUGS Lun

#183 Posted by GrindSpire [193.113.185.132], 17/08/2000 06:42 GMT , Refers to Post #181

That Shortcut

#184 Posted by than [212.49.249.103], 17/08/2000 09:09 GMT

I know about it but when I try and use it I get WIDNOWS FUCKING STICKY NOTES! I have no idea how to disable windows shortcuts so I have to keep going through the fucking menu all the time when I want to align a texture on an end cap (which I almost ALWAYS want to be non-aligned to the cap and look normal - but does it ever start that fucking way!? no).

Anyway, back to the point, does anyone know how I can disable stupid shortcuts in windows such as sticky notes and also how do I stop CQ from wasting all my shortcut keys without closing it. Actually scratch that last one, ICQ IS SHIT, I'll close it :)

-than

Shortcut Keys

#185 Posted by Nightbringer [203.109.138.221], 17/08/2000 09:38 GMT , Refers to Post #184

To stop icq gobbling all the shortcut keys, go icq|prefs|contact list tab and uncheck "use icq shortcuts".

Not sure if there's a way of disabling windows app lauch shortcut keys; but as far as I can see, the shortcuts have to be on the desktop or in the start menu for the keys to have any effect (anyone know for sure?); so it should be fairly easy to find the offending one and remove it.

#186 Posted by Lunaran [152.163.204.53], 17/08/2000 14:36 GMT , Refers to Post #184

You can change the q3r keybinding in a user ini file. for a full list of rebindable commands, look under Help|Command List.

Add this line to your ini file.
CycleCapTexturePatch = <whatever key>

If you don't have an ini file, add this line before that line:
[Commands]
and save it as than.ini. Then open q3r prefs and select that as your user ini file (at the bottom).

Disabling Shortcuts

#187 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.188.57], 17/08/2000 18:40 GMT , Refers to Post #184

the basic ones like alt+tab should be in the properties for the q3r shortcut. you can disble them there. not sure about that silly sticky notes shortcut... i've never ever seen the windows sticky notes. ;p

Sticky Notes

#188 Posted by than [212.188.153.64], 17/08/2000 19:03 GMT

I think they were with office 2k. not sure. but I think it's FUCKING RUDE of any software developer to use windows general shortcut keys without asking you if you want them because it can mess up shortcuts in other programs and it PISSES ME OFF (as does everything).

-than

ps. FUCK (what an excellent collection of letters).

General Stuff...

#189 Posted by Johnny Law [171.66.164.29], 17/08/2000 20:17 GMT

I'm pretty sure the HL comment was a joke, note the smiley, don't be so prickly. :-)

As for the assertion that it takes more skill to make a map for a somewhat limited engine than for an engine with more features: sure, if you're talking about a map that looks exactly the same in both cases. But that seems like a pretty arbitrarily constructed point of comparison.

It doesn't take "less skill to make a nice looking Quake 3 map", because the bar is higher.

Yes, But...

#190 Posted by GrindSpire [193.113.185.164], 17/08/2000 21:26 GMT , Refers to Post #189

...Because of newer games looking better, people are expecting more from the older games. For more thoughts on this see my column.

#191 Posted by Wiebo [195.193.202.50], 18/08/2000 10:27 GMT

...Because of newer games looking better, people are expecting more from the older games. For more thoughts on this see my column.

?? Then those are irrational and not straight thinking people. What have good looks of a new game got to do with an older game which an aged engine? I don't see why Q1 maps have to look as good as q3 maps. That's just plain madness.

I Didn't Say It Was Sensible...

#192 Posted by GrindSpire [213.123.24.98], 18/08/2000 10:30 GMT , Refers to Post #191

It's just what people expect

#193 Posted by Wiebo [195.193.202.50], 18/08/2000 13:56 GMT

...there is only so much you can do with an old game. Pleasing 'people' who expect their q1 game to look like q3 is impossible and should not be your aim. please yourself, i say.

#194 Posted by Wiebo [195.193.202.50], 18/08/2000 14:03 GMT

what i forgot: if you can please yourself mapping and you know you've made a better map then that's all you can do, right? To hell with other people's expectations! =]

#195 Posted by Lunaran [152.163.205.17], 18/08/2000 15:03 GMT

If I had used some lighter reddish and brown rusty textures and made an abandoned desert fortress map for Q1, it would still rock even if I didn't include flying birds, dust, waving canvas sheets and curved sand dunes. It wouldn't be any harder to give the map an immersive theme in q1 than it would in q3 - q3 having more "features" doesn't mean it's easier to map for, because I've then got to use all those features. In Q1 I don't have to worry about them, and I don't think anyone will expect me to write my own GL port with fog and shaders just to keep up with another game.

Remember, these are people that still play Q1 even though Q3 is out. Would they worry that maps aren't up to q3 standards? If they did, they'd be playing Q3.

Archs And Fog

#196 Posted by IkYiolul [206.158.235.198], 18/08/2000 17:42 GMT

Hey guys, I need some help, I'm in the process of making a map. I need to know how to do archs in Quark6. You see, my map is based on a Cathedral, and I need to make lots of archs. Can ya help me out? Oh and how do you make that cool animated thing that looks like a huge part of a snake? (that map with two of em comin out the ceiling,damn forgot what it's called) Oh and what about fog?

Thanx-
-IkY

#197 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 19/08/2000 06:24 GMT

grrr, i made some of a map in qoole, then to compile it only to find out that it is pitch blac (i only qbsped it, no lighting or anything) then i decided to export it to thread, But now it has leak in it for no apperent reason. So im trying to maek my move from QOOLE to something else,
which editor would u guys/girsl reccomend for q1 and q2 map making?

#198 Posted by GrindSpire [193.113.185.164], 19/08/2000 10:58 GMT

Q1 go for WC1.6 (www.planetquake.com/worldcraft/)

For Q2 use QERadiant (www.qeradiant.com).

You could always use the QER plugin to allow for Q1 support but it's your choice, get the plugin from www.planetquake.com/rem/

It's Not A Plugin

#199 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.189.75], 19/08/2000 17:22 GMT , Refers to Post #198

it's a converter program that sleepwalkr wrote to remove all the quake 2 specific information in a .map file, turning it into the quake 1 format (it removes the texture directory and surface properties from each surface). :)

#200 Posted by Asriel [203.97.31.106], 20/08/2000 04:05 GMT

thank you, i forgot about WC. I might get QER as well :P

#201 Posted by Seth [195.157.160.166], 22/08/2000 16:35 GMT

can someone tel me what it means when i get booted out of quake with a allocbloc error when i try and load my map... i seem to have a big fuck-off leak that has no right to be there and i havent done anything psycho to the map... i only clipped a few brushes and it all went a bit pete tong :(... help me pleeeeeassse :)

Coincidence:

#202 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.100], 22/08/2000 20:46 GMT , Refers to Post #201

Even though I know Shambler's away, I popped into TSQLRFPSDTS or whatever you abbreviate that with, the Q1 one anyway, and for some weird reason, prolly a brain spasm, I clicked on the Help link. And then for some fucked up reason, I read through the whole thing, and the last paragraph there, was exactly about this problem of yours, and if I can just quote Shamblah here:
You're screwed!! I've encountered this on 2 Quake levels so far, and despite asking repeatedly around the net, no-one has been able to help or explain it. You'll just have to play the level in software mode. If by any chance you do find out how to solve this, please email me.
And there you have it, straight from the white things mouth, aand frankly, I can't think of any better to say either...

CZG

#203 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 23/08/2000 06:42 GMT

does WC have resizeable windows 0 where u put in brushes etc, i like a large viewing area

#204 Posted by than [212.49.246.41], 23/08/2000 09:21 GMT

you can resize the windows in wc1.6 and below (just drag the window divider bars about) .If you are using wc3.3 then I think there are more viewport config options available.

-than

WHAT THE FUCK!?

#205 Posted by than [212.49.246.41], 23/08/2000 09:22 GMT

here, I copied my question from irc sionce no bugger answered it:

*** Now talking in #qeradiant
<than> hello
<than> could someone tell me wtf a light grid mismatch error is? this appears at the console when I compile a map which contains a certain texture of mine. The shader for the texture is the same as for another texture (which works fine) and the texture displays fine in curry... it just won't display right in q3. It's meant to be a masked texture btw.
<than> I think it may be a problem with the texture itself but I cannot see wtf the problem could be. It's saved as a 32bit tga with an alpha channel.
<than> you are all very lively in here, aren't you?

So, if anyone can help me with my prob then I wil buy them a pickle or something. k?

-than

Re: WHAT THE FIDDLESTICKS!?

#206 Posted by Maj [193.128.238.146], 23/08/2000 12:04 GMT , Refers to Post #205

A quick search over on q3world threw up that this is a known problem, and to email tools@idsoftware.com. Unfortunately a reply from there is about as likely as, say, Wales spontaneously exploding.

Theres a few suggestions in the other threads tho:

1) Have you have done a full light (Yeah, it's patronising, but I gotta ask)
2) Use -vlight
3) Make sure that the shader is being used in q3map _and_ q3. e.g. if it's not in shaderlist.txt, or you've got another .shader in a .pk3 that's overriding it in q3 but not q3map.

Grid Mismatch/vlight

#207 Posted by GlassMan [195.184.253.80], 23/08/2000 14:54 GMT

hmm..the only time I've ever seen that is when using -vlight so if you are using that I would try it without.

Also if the texture is on a patch you could try remaking the patch.

Light-grid Mismatch

#208 Posted by DeFrag [207.227.185.14], 24/08/2000 04:01 GMT

Same here tonight.. I think its related to the texture with or w/o a referenced shader on a patch or in my case a cap.

Fuck all.. 'bout ready for a final-compile too! >:

#209 Posted by than [212.188.143.89], 24/08/2000 09:38 GMT

afik it's a problem with the texture itself but I cannot see what. There are no clashes with other shaders, it's on a standard playerclip brush (the shader also has player clip surfaceparms). I have done full light, no light and the error occurs whatever.

Why does q3 always have to give me this kind of shit? If I was doing it for hl all I would need to do is make the parts I want to not appear a solid blue colour and it would work. Q3 just appears to be a fussy bastard.

If you want I can upload the texture and shader for the texture (or entire shader file if you want to see it).

-than

er... btw, the shader file is in shaderlist.txt and I am not using -vlight to my knowledge. I just select light/fullvis from the q3 bsp menu. The shader works fine in curry but not q3 and I also have shaders which are identical except for the texture used which work fine... even on the same map so it's almost certainly a texture problem afaik.

Re: Coincidence

#210 Posted by Seth [195.157.160.166], 25/08/2000 12:25 GMT , Refers to Post #202

ok... cheers CZG.....

#211 Posted by Maj [193.128.238.146], 25/08/2000 14:17 GMT , Refers to Post #209

You can send it to me if you want, I'll take a look. Btw, are you sure that there isn't a .pk3 file about with a .shader file of the same name inside? You didn't mention it in your post...

AllocBlock Error

#212 Posted by aguirRe [195.100.152.210], 25/08/2000 17:40 GMT , Refers to Post #202

I was recently confronted with this error in a very small map and I thought I should give it a try to change the map until the error disappeared.

I tried a lot of things but the only thing that seemed to help was to get rid of the *very* large brush structure and replace it with a simple box around all the entities.

Now the map was playable in GLQuake. However, the most interesting thing was that if I increased the size of the box to a certain extent, I would get the "AllocBlock" error again.

To sum it up, one of the possible causes of this error seems to be one or more large objects (probably brushes) in the map.

Might Be A Leak...

#213 Posted by GrindSpire [193.113.185.164], 25/08/2000 18:15 GMT

If surrounding the entities in a box works then it is likely to be a leak.

Re:Might Be A Leak...

#214 Posted by aguirRe [195.100.148.127], 25/08/2000 19:32 GMT , Refers to Post #213

A leak in the map might also be a cause for the AllocBlock error, but in the map I was testing there were no leaks at all, just a simple box with the player entity inside. No lighting either.

By just increasing the size of the box, I received the AllocBlock error (in GLQuake, DOSQuake was fine). There are probably also other scenarios that will trigger this error.

Qbsp Error...

#215 Posted by SkLERoS [212.151.186.108], 25/08/2000 19:48 GMT

OK,I need some help with the invisble clip bug which can happen sometimes. In Quake aswell in HL. Well I have approached ppl at #terrafusion and I haven't gotten an answer to how to solve this pain in the ass. Is there or isn't it any way to get rid of the invisible clip brushes ? Please tell me if you know of ANY way to hinder or prevent them from appearing.

#216 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.137.146], 25/08/2000 19:58 GMT , Refers to Post #215

If I'm thinking of the same bug you're talking about (strange clipping where there is no clipping brush at all) then you should try playing around with the brushes in the immediate area of the problem. try moving an edge, deselecting the brush, re-select the brush, then move the edge back where you want it. this will force a change in the .map. re-compile and see if it is still there.

if it doesn't go away, repeat the same process with a different brush in the same area.

#217 Posted by than [212.188.139.101], 25/08/2000 20:31 GMT

I fixed the shader bug. I had an old version of teh shader file I was using nestling ina pk3 file. Still, I always get light grid mismatch on EVERY map I compile and I cannot figure out why. It's driving me mad. AND NOW THERE IS A FUCKING GAP ADVERT ON TV IN THE BACKGROUND AND I I AM TYPING AND AM THEREFOR POWERLESS TO TURN IT OFF! Ah, finished now... er, yeah, so I'm getting this error and I can't fathom it. To be honest though, apart from the extra polys I don't know why I want to map for q3.

-than

Invisible Clips

#218 Posted by Lunaran [205.188.195.38], 25/08/2000 22:10 GMT , Refers to Post #215

Those are caused when brushes meet at certain angles. If there are any brushes that you can merge, even if it means changing their shape, do it.

I found this bug while making cliff walls. If you change the dimensions in the back of the brushes so you can merge them, the error goes away.

Level Editing

#219 Posted by The_Gamer [194.65.14.67], 28/08/2000 17:12 GMT

How do I make maps for Q3?
Please tell me where can I find tools and tutorials to make them to...

The_Gamer

Man U Are A Bit Lost

#220 Posted by Auhsan [62.82.139.147], 28/08/2000 17:27 GMT , Refers to Post #219

u need q3r (map editor):
http://www.qeradiant.com
u can find the radiant manual there (i think)if it isn't there go to http://www.quake3world.com

#221 Posted by GrindSpire [195.99.57.109], 28/08/2000 17:36 GMT , Refers to Post #219

...Well Q3Radiant would be a good start:

http://quake3.qeradiant.com/

Then work from there, a good place for tutorials would be rust (http://www.gamedesign.net/)

Hope that helps

Huge Tracts Of Land

#222 Posted by Perselicas [172.162.0.4], 30/08/2000 20:19 GMT

First question. It's probably hell on compile time, but would drawing a huge box around every brush in a Q1 map as a quick fix for invisible leaks actually make a level run slower within the game? A box would only have 24 faces total and 12 (I think) that would be invisible from any point within the box so I can't see how drawing the faces would bog down the framerate that much. I'm running an extremely high spec PC so it's impossible to tell whether my level runs slow or not (at lower vid_modes, the framerate seems to regularly top 125.00)
Thanks for any answers :)

Incidentally, has anyone ever managed to register Worldcraft? I hate having unregistered software on my computer but I called ACD Systems and they didn't know what it was. "World what? Wonderworks? What?"

~Pers

One Word: Yes

#223 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.101.195], 30/08/2000 22:36 GMT , Refers to Post #222

This "quick-fix" is known as a "daiper" in some circles, and doesn't really solve anything.

Basically, as well as rendering the inside of the daiper box, the engine will be rendering the outside surfaces of any brush visible from your location. That can be a lot of extra polys, and almost certainly will slow your map down.

If you absolutely must apply a daiper, find out where the leaks are and apply the daiper solely to that area - see my Swamp for an example.

Level-wide boxes should also be avoided for ego reasons.

As for WC, I got my registered version from someone else, and I'm not saying who. There. Two dirty secrets out.

#224 Posted by Johnny Law [207.17.136.129], 01/09/2000 08:23 GMT

Doesn't Quake split up large polygons, too? So if your box was large, there would be a more than 12 tris involved... potentially a lot more.

Maybe I'm misremembering about that, though.

Registering Worldcraft

#225 Posted by Tron [203.12.165.8], 01/09/2000 09:45 GMT , Refers to Post #222

It's not possible anymore. Valve bought the rights to worldcraft and so ACD stopped selling it.

Tron

Re: Daipers

#226 Posted by Maj [193.128.238.146], 01/09/2000 11:02 GMT , Refers to Post #224

Yup. IIRC it was 256x256.

The Allocblock Error.

#227 Posted by Scampie [205.243.60.13], 03/09/2000 01:22 GMT

Occurs when a brush has a face that's way too large. GlQuake doesn't like it. dos/winquake accepts it. This can sometimes be cuased by a bad brush... it will make the face extend to infinity in one or both directions... Best suggestion... remake the map. I once deleted almost all of a map trying to fix it... Eventually I just said "aw fuck it".

#228 Posted by Nightbringer [203.109.252.15], 03/09/2000 05:20 GMT

If you find the error in the middle of an editing session and would rather not restart your map, the offending brush is usually valid in the editor - which means you can manipulate it just like a regular brush. Search for it - hide/region off one half of the map (or the portion you suspect the brush to be lurking in); compile; test. If you still get the error, halve the current region, and repeat.
Once you get down to a few brushes, you can generally remove them all with minimal impact to the rest of the map.
(compile toolchain experts - is it possible to eyeball the offending brush by checking the map file?)

#229 Posted by Killjoy [129.170.58.40], 03/09/2000 20:22 GMT

anyone know where i could get a really big q1 ship prefab? not quite as big as that UT level, big enough to fit in a large bay in a q1 map. medeival style wooden ship, not modern steel ship.

thx
-killjoy

Those Gates

#230 Posted by Perselicas [152.163.207.206], 03/09/2000 22:43 GMT

With the way perssp1 is coming, I'm probably going to finish it with a runegate instead, but how in the world does anyone create those huge doors using wexit and wenter textures (at the end of e1m2 and e2m2 for example)? It looks like one half of the arch needs to have a mirrored texture on it, but if it's possible to do textures backwards, I don't know how :)

~P

To Flip Textures...

#231 Posted by CZG [148.122.66.52], 03/09/2000 23:32 GMT

...simply scale them by -1
As easy as that, though I still think id were bitches for just making half of those textures!

Invalid Brushes

#232 Posted by Gilt [154.5.31.57], 04/09/2000 00:25 GMT , Refers to Post #228

Like Nightbringer said, usually the invalid brushes still look valid in the editor. With worldcraft (I'm not sure about the others) if you export the map to a .map file and then reload the .map, it'll make the brushes look like they do in the game.

It's a lot easier looking for infinite length brushes this way, and the really bad brushes will just disappear.

I Hate Invalid Brushes

#233 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.101.248], 04/09/2000 01:23 GMT

...especially when you're trying something like a puddle which you don't want to splash.

In OUM2 I had a sealed door with a puddle of water in front of it; the idea was you'd try to open the door and be informed that it was sealed due to flooding.

Unfortunately, I'd evidently made the water brush 0 units tall. Uh oh.

So I gave up on that.

Now I need to work on ideas for a nuclear incinerator instead.

We need a "load of shit" icon, really.

-100% Flip Textures

#234 Posted by Perselicas [152.163.206.213], 04/09/2000 04:31 GMT , Refers to Post #231

/me kicks himself very hard for not figuring that out.

It Was A Smart Move

#235 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.186.62], 05/09/2000 07:10 GMT , Refers to Post #231

at the time, they needed all the available memory bandwidth they could use. making only one half of a door cuts the texture memory in half. then again, you most likely new this already so i'll shut up now. hehe

Animating Flame Texture.....

#236 Posted by ]DR[Sozo [24.43.84.117], 08/09/2000 13:16 GMT

Hi all, great to see such good questions posted up here, this room is a lot of help!
Well anyway, i am wondering if someone can tell me how to animate my flame texture, i am trying to add some floating blue flame to myt map and i dont know how to have it actually flickering and wavering.....not sitting there looking like it is frozen in a time warp...unmoving. I already have it textured to the face of a no-draw brush, and cloned and intersected to give it the 3rd dimension, but no life! it just sits there....pitifully. hehe, any takers? Thanks all.....

Animating Flame Texture.....

#237 Posted by ]DR[Sozo [24.43.84.117], 08/09/2000 13:19 GMT

LOL BTW< I AM USING Q3RADIANT HEHE SORRY!!!

Re: Animating Flame Texture

#238 Posted by Maj [193.128.238.146], 08/09/2000 14:01 GMT , Refers to Post #237

http://www.heppler.com/shader

Read. Learn. Use.

#239 Posted by Clueless [130.238.7.35], 08/09/2000 20:11 GMT

Why do I get this error? I get it on the maps that come with Q3Tools aswell, I get it when I try to load the map in Q3 after doing a FulLVis:

ERROR: RE_LoadWorldMap: maps/q3dm1sample.bsp not found

But it's THERE, under baseq3/maps...

What's wrong??

#240 Posted by Lunaran [64.12.105.166], 08/09/2000 21:57 GMT , Refers to Post #239

Check c:/win/temp/junk.txt for errors, and make sure your quake3arena folder has the word "quake" in it.

#241 Posted by than [212.188.154.90], 09/09/2000 09:51 GMT

does q3 and q3r leave files all over the fucking computer. why can't they just keep them in their own god damn directory?

#242 Posted by Lunaran [152.163.195.208], 09/09/2000 15:37 GMT , Refers to Post #241

because that would make sense.

Q3R is basically still a developer's program, hence the gobs of ram needed and so forth. It was inteded for a computer that had little on it except an OS, Q3A and Q3R, and maybe a few graphics programs.

~Lunaran

Curves In Pipes

#243 Posted by GlassMan [193.113.185.132], 10/09/2000 21:50 GMT

I'm looking for a bit of help on how to make 'curved' bends in pipes like in spogsp1. I've done a simple curve with just a single 45 deg piece as in
-

|
with 3-point clipping but it was a bit tricky & not perfect. I browsed the old qboard & came up with this comment from than..

"Used a couple of curvy pipe like yours in SPOGSP1 but nothing like as many or as complex (I used your technique though - 1.25 stretch across the pipe then shear 2:1 and clip (actually works in WC)."

If anyone could expand on that a bit or provide any other shortcuts I would be grateful :)

(This is for q1 so no q3 curves)

Ascii Screwed Up

#244 Posted by GlassMan [193.113.185.132], 10/09/2000 21:51 GMT

but u know what i mean.

F* F* F* F*ING M*F* GODDAMN!

#245 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.202], 11/09/2000 08:55 GMT

Towne is too damn big. Here's what happens atm after BSP and a fast vis:

1. Tyrlite crashes with a closebrace without data error (something like that)

2. Load the map? hah! a flurry of b0rky-looking "spawn parms" appear, then Quake crashes with much the same error.

Now, these errors may be because the map's too big even with a fast vis. Before I give Mike Woodham a tinkle...

Do you guys reckon that running a full vis might help things?

-Fatty
(Who's gonna be royally pissed if he can't get the damn map working again)

Curvy Pipes...

#246 Posted by Tron [203.12.165.232], 11/09/2000 11:18 GMT

I've been trying to do exactly the same thing recently but gave up in the end, I'd be interested in knowing the secret as well (my pipes look perfect in worldcraft but have cracks in quake)

Tron

Re: F* F* F* F*ING M*F* GODDAMN!

#247 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.115], 11/09/2000 15:36 GMT , Refers to Post #245

Oh no, this error is a real bitch.

I had this error while making actaltrz. From what I could tell, it is simply because the BSP file is too big. Do whatever you can - reducing the number of textures is probably your best bet. If not that, you'll have to attack some geometry...

Actaltrz was so close to the limit that I had the followig situation:

1. QBSP + Light = OK
2. QBSP + Vis = OK
3. QBSP + Light + Vis(fast) = Crash
4. QBSP + Light + Vis(level4) = OK.

So, the fact that level 4 visdata compresses
better was the deciding factor. What you need to do will depend on how close to the limit you are...

#248 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.101.221], 12/09/2000 04:27 GMT , Refers to Post #247

Not even full vising (for 17 hours yet) helped!

Oh well, I'll have to break the map into three bits instead.

Anyway, the way I've built the map was incremental, so there're some built-in seams I can work on, I suppose.

Full VIS Seeing More Polygons Than Usual

#249 Posted by Browser [L3M] [198.235.69.172], 12/09/2000 13:29 GMT

Hi, I've been starting to do Quake-1 maps for about 2 months now. I've noticed something after doing a full VIS compilation. It looks like VIS is seeing more polygons than what there are actualy. I mean, when I have my nose against a wall for example, the numbers from R_SPEEDS are telling me that it is seeing through the wall (numbers like >+100).

Now I don't know much about Q1 RVIS (I'm using an RVIS modified by Antony Suter that came in a build package within my Map editor QuarkV5.10), but the one I used for Q2 didn't have that problem. So is it a limitation of Q1 RVIS or is there a way to fix this ?

P.S. : my editor is calling RVIS this way
Rvis.exe -level 4 mymapname

Error Message In TXQBSP

#250 Posted by Browser [L3M] [198.235.69.172], 12/09/2000 13:32 GMT

Can someone tell me what the warning error message below means ? I've started having this when I added teleports in my Q1 map. So far, nobody answered me on this in other newsgroups.

TXQBSP 0.6 - based on QBSP by John Carmack. Modified by Armin Rigo
--------------------------------
with extensions for QuArK (Quake Army Knife) :
floating-point coordinates and enhanced texture positionning
http://www.planetquake.com/quark
--------------------------------
outputfile: ./maps/l3mdm1.bsp
--- LoadMapFile ---
./maps/l3mdm1.map
...
...
---- MergeAll ----
1982 mergefaces
writing ./maps/l3mdm1.prt
WARNING: CanonicalVector: degenerate
...
...
WARNING: CanonicalVector: degenerate
MODEL: *1
...
...
MODEL: *25
--- FinishBSPFile ---
WriteBSPFile: ./maps/l3mdm1.bsp
added 4 texture frames
1214 planes 24280
4848 vertexes 58176
1170 nodes 28080
1669 texinfo 66760
3283 faces 65660
4190 clipnodes 33520
800 leafs 22400
4223 marksurfaces 8446
16332 surfedges 32664
8393 edges 33572
56 textures 484248
lightdata 0
visdata 0
entdata 13939
63.0 seconds elapsed

Canonical Vector Degenerate.

#251 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.213], 12/09/2000 16:53 GMT , Refers to Post #250

I have no idea what the error actually means, but I think you should say yourself lucky as it didn't crash the compile as it usually does to me.

Anyway, the best way to get rid of them is to try to compile only half of the map, (can you do that in QuArK?) and see if the error appears then. If it doesn't you'll know that it is in the other half of the map, and you can then compile half of that, and half of that again, until you've narrowed it down to as few brushes as you like. It is most likely some overly complex brush, and when you find the cause of the problem, you'll just have to either delete it and maybe rebuild it, or just try to replace it with something else that works... Sorry I can't be anymore accurate, but I really don't know what this error really means. Maybe some of the engine wizards hanging out here knows? <nudge nudge>

As for the Vis query, I don't find that much strange at all. Vis works in mysterious ways.

Curvy Pipes

#252 Posted by GlassMan [193.113.185.132], 12/09/2000 22:52 GMT , Refers to Post #246

Tron..I cracked it in the end see this post on the old board:

http://www.coremedia.de/qboard2/thread.asp?threadid=153

Fingers & Spogs exchange has all you need.

From my experience tinkering with it tonight, make sure before you start that your pipe has all its vertices on the grid..on the inside of the pipe & the outside. (Use Spogs 12-sided cylinder to make the pipe & scale it by 1.5 to provide a reference for the inside & outside of the brushes). Everything should stay on the grid but if it drifts off be sure to snap it back.

Making the angled bits should then go smoothly if you follow Fingers instructions (post 59).

#253 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 13/09/2000 05:46 GMT

Im a newbie to WorldCraft, so i have some questions
How do i appl a player start entity?
I read the help, but it didn't work :(

#254 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.202], 13/09/2000 08:02 GMT , Refers to Post #253

There's an "entity apply tool" icon - looks like an axe. Turns your cursor into a little axe with a crosshair.

By default WC assumes that the first entity to apply in a session is a info_player_start - look to the right for a dropdown box that has all the monsters and lights. If it doesn't read "info_player_start", click it and select same.

Then click in the map to place it. Select the pointer tool and move it where you wish.

Info_player_bollocks

#255 Posted by than [212.188.131.127], 13/09/2000 09:47 GMT

you can change the default pointentity and solidentity classes. There is a scrolly menu at the side which lets you select what entity you want to place and also, if you select the entity you created (remember to right click on the little green box and select create entity :) and right click and select properties, you can change the entity from there as well as edit it's attributes.

-than

#256 Posted by Seth [195.157.160.166], 13/09/2000 16:41 GMT

cheers 4 all ur help guys... i just hope i dont havce to start the whole friggin level again :-(

c yas

To All You Curvies!

#257 Posted by CZG [130.67.143.53], 13/09/2000 17:31 GMT

As if the Fingers/SPoG conversation wasn't enough, I hax0red up a tiny .map file that demonstrates the wonders of teh 12 sided curve.
I also took a shot of it in WC so you can glare at it as a .jpg, but the .map file is a ctually smller than the .jpg, so you migh be bes toff having a looksie in the editor. This by no means demonstrates the full joy of curves, but it's a pretty good start to get you going. And beleive me, once you get the hang of those curves it'll be a curse! I can't make a single wall without curving it into the most awkwards shapes. Anyway, here are the warez:
Curve12.jpg - 75 Kb
Curve12.zip - 5 Kb
Yay!

#258 Posted by CZG [130.67.143.53], 13/09/2000 17:34 GMT

I am utterly baffeled by the amout of typos in my last message. I'm really sorry, I'm not really a retard you know...

HOLY FUCK BATMAN!

#259 Posted by CZG [130.67.143.53], 13/09/2000 17:36 GMT

And another one!
Hmm, this must mean I'm really a retard! Wow, I never knew...

You Retards

#260 Posted by pjw [208.192.72.77], 13/09/2000 17:40 GMT

are always the last to know. (It's just because you're quite slow, really...)

(couldn't resist)

#261 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 13/09/2000 19:11 GMT

ta Fat Controller and Than

Rotate Scrip! Argh!!

#262 Posted by Deathmonger [212.14.102.72], 13/09/2000 19:27 GMT

I've made a 128*128 texture with a light swirling (128*128 too)1arround a circle that works fine, bu when I apply this to a texture
256*256 and a 256*256 light everything goes messy and the effect doesn't apply where it is supposed to, can anyone help me, i call

, I want to make the same effect he did in lun3dm2 bouncepads.

Aaaaaarghhh! Deathmonger.

#263 Posted by CZG [130.67.143.53], 13/09/2000 19:40 GMT

I forgot to mention, about those curves of mine, they are all fully scalable by 1 and 2 and 0.5 and 0.25 and pi. (Okay, so not by pi, but you get it right?)

#264 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 14/09/2000 03:33 GMT

There is no drop down list, but i think i have to set some more stuff up :(

#265 Posted by BlackPope [209.52.215.11], 15/09/2000 03:55 GMT

K... I've Completed a Q1DM map and need to upload it somewhere...
I tried cdrom.com in the pub/idgames2/incoming/ dir and it says I don't have permission to... (I've done it before I don't know why not now)
So I'm wondering where else I may be able to send my map around...
In hopes of eventually getting it reviewed somewhere...

Thx Muchos... BlackPope

Bad News Mate

#266 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.99.199], 15/09/2000 06:34 GMT , Refers to Post #265

cdrom.com is now a profit-seeking group and doesn't accept public domain stuff anymore.

I recommend getting some web space of your own (say with Xoom) and setting up your own webby. Even if it's just a "Download my map/s here" single page, that's what you'll need.

Apart from a good FTP program and an understanding of HTML.

Or You Could....

#267 Posted by GrindSpire [212.126.144.12], 15/09/2000 06:53 GMT , Refers to Post #266

Send it to me and I will stick it up for you on my PQ/FP ftp (click my name above for my email address)

Problems With OpenGL Accelerated Editors

#268 Posted by Top Cat =^..^= [192.187.17.66], 15/09/2000 13:45 GMT

I have problems with all editors that use OpenGL visualization. Qoole 99, Tread3D, Worldcraft... generates a memory protection error. I think that origin of my problems is the screwed ICD that 3Dfx supplies for the Banshee, not good for windowed applications. Same results in different Win32 systems... W9x, WinNT ,Windows 2000...
There is an exception... QEradiant and Q3Radiant. Here all works almost fine, but... Can I use this editor for Classic Quake or maybe I should think in a new nVidia card?

Excuse my weird english... I'm from Spain... (No! I'm not a Bullfighter! =:��

Paixa Colega...

#269 Posted by Auhsan [195.57.233.74], 15/09/2000 13:59 GMT , Refers to Post #268

I'm from Spain too, and I got a banshee too(well until I receive my gf2)...I got a Guillemot Phoenix and the only driver that supports windowed mode was the first version...anyway contact me via ICQ at 72082991

Or You Can Use...

#270 Posted by GrindSpire [193.113.185.166], 15/09/2000 17:16 GMT , Refers to Post #268

Sleepwalkr's program, get it from http://www.planetquake.com/rem/

It converts maps made using QERadiant to Q1

Hope this helps

Thanks, GrindSpire...

#271 Posted by Top Cat =^..^= [155.54.1.247], 15/09/2000 18:28 GMT , Refers to Post #270

Thanks for your pointer...! I'll try it.

By the way... Anyone knows when Team Fortress II will be released?

---whooo---

#272 Posted by BlackPope [209.52.215.26], 15/09/2000 20:58 GMT , Refers to Post #267

Thanks Grindspire for your generosity

#273 Posted by Tron [203.12.165.8], 16/09/2000 00:40 GMT , Refers to Post #271

That's like asking how long is a piece of string. I'm guessing 2007 as the release date. 8)

Tron

Some Things I Need

#274 Posted by Speedy [213.221.48.20], 16/09/2000 01:03 GMT

1. Tutorial on making rotating geometry for Q1 (with hipnotic ents). Text and a map file - like the one that used to be on WC forge site (now it`s not there due to cdrom.com`s problems)
2. The latest version of Quest editor (their site is down for some months)
3. WinQoole 2.5 (not 99!) lmited sharewere is OK.
4. q1 model editor.
PLEASE! Answer by e-mail, as I dont have internet access. But mail me only links, not the files. Thanks in advance.

#275 Posted by than [212.188.128.176], 16/09/2000 14:04 GMT

check out czg's site.

Donkey Lovin'

#276 Posted by BlackPope [209.52.215.74], 17/09/2000 00:04 GMT

Grindspire May I send you yet another map to post up?!
Please and thankyou...

BP

#277 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 17/09/2000 02:56 GMT , Refers to Post #274

iv got it one cd. but i don't have the cd atm
sorry :(
If you still need it when i get the cd back, ill put it on the net for u, or something like that

#278 Posted by Speedy [213.221.48.8], 17/09/2000 03:28 GMT , Refers to Post #277

When you get it, put it on the net and mail me the link.
Speedy_man@mail.ru

Rotating Geo And Textures (Q1)

#279 Posted by Speedy [213.221.48.8], 17/09/2000 03:43 GMT

rotate_objects get their textures misaligned
Any technique to fix this ?
(I have a nice texture for a fan, but cannot align it )

Qbsp Error, & A Question

#280 Posted by Gilt [154.5.69.131], 17/09/2000 05:14 GMT

numbrushplanes == MAX_MAP_PLANES

That's the error that I get while qbsp is trying to build my map. Anybody know anything about it?

I found a little info on it in quakelab, but it basically said that they know it exists, but they need to look at a map with the problem to actually figure out what it means...

Also, how big can you make a level? What are the limits? I don't want to get into the same situation that Fatty is in.

#281 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 17/09/2000 05:49 GMT , Refers to Post #278

Leak From Info_player_start

#282 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 17/09/2000 05:51 GMT

wtf!?! im getting a leak from my info_player_start , this is so annoying!

Is there a cure for this weird fault?

#283 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 17/09/2000 05:52 GMT

its not just from the player start, its from all entities
grr!!

#284 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 17/09/2000 05:53 GMT

this is from using WC

#285 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.201], 17/09/2000 08:11 GMT , Refers to Post #284

Alrighty, what you have to do is run the map (the BSP file should exist) in Quake, then pull down the console and type POINTFILE. This will create a string of dots through the level that should pass through the leak's position.
Also use NOCLIP, GOD and NOTARGET as required to follow it.

Then make a note of where the leak is, and fix it. Sad but true. I found this info in WC's help file, BTW...

PS. See General Thread for what went worng with Towne.

Yeah Sure...

#286 Posted by GrindSpire [195.99.55.220], 17/09/2000 08:43 GMT , Refers to Post #276

...Just send it over

Leaks Pt. 2

#287 Posted by GrindSpire [195.99.55.220], 17/09/2000 08:45 GMT , Refers to Post #285

You may need to run Quake with -particles 10000 as sometimes Quake can't display the full line

The Thing Is...

#288 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 17/09/2000 09:12 GMT

That there is no leak when ther are no entities in the map. (i just read that pointfile thing too )

Ok , Im Sorry

#289 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 17/09/2000 10:00 GMT

i jsut got taught some entity/leaks stuff, so u neednt worry bout my last posts
sorry

inertia Is Still Working On A Title

#290 Posted by inertia [207.95.174.107], 17/09/2000 14:55 GMT

HA!

im sorta back-ish (for today :/ )

Re: Spinning Brushes Of Terror

#291 Posted by CZG [130.67.143.93], 17/09/2000 17:44 GMT , Refers to Post #279

Sorry, there is no fix that I know of for making the textures on a rotate_object stay aligned. However, it is misaligned by the same amount every time, so if you play your level, and look really closely on the rotate_object (preferably when it's standing still) you can figure out that it, like needs to be about 16 or so units lower and eight units more to the left. Then do those changes, compile it again, and see if you were correct. If not, then just keep on tweaking it until you've got it sorted.

Re: Spinning Brushes Of Terror

#292 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.115], 17/09/2000 19:34 GMT , Refers to Post #291

I have found that the positioning of the "info_rotate" entity affects the texture alignment. Try moving it and you'll see what I mean.

Re: Spinning Brushes Of Terror

#293 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.203], 17/09/2000 21:46 GMT , Refers to Post #292

Mmm, I have this wacky theory. that goes about as follows:
Since there is no such thing as an origin brush in the Q1 engine, the Qbsp is moving the rotate_object to the center of the level, according to the info_rotate, so the origo of the level acts as sort of a center of an imaginary origin brush. I am most likely way off though, but if any code hax0rs can elaborate, or even better; explain, please do...

Oh, And I Forgot:

#294 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.203], 17/09/2000 21:48 GMT , Refers to Post #293

That would then explain to me why the textures come out misaligned...

Your Best Bet...

#295 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.138.91], 18/09/2000 03:31 GMT , Refers to Post #293

would be to hope that whoever worked on the code for the ritual/hynotic mission pack (that's where the entity is from, right? ;p) is still at ritual. send em an email and simply ask them. you could also try sending an email off to a couple of the ritual level designers (paradox and levelord both worked on their q1 pack) and ask them.

then again... this could be from the rogue mission pack and then you'd want to get ahold of them instead of ritual.

Re: Spinning Brushes Of Terror

#296 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.112], 18/09/2000 04:43 GMT , Refers to Post #293

That is my theory as well. It is also supported by the behaviour of dynamic lighting on rotating entities. I made up a set of test maps and a rather lengthy explanation of all this for Fatty a little while ago. I'll see if I can find it and I'll post a link here...

Re: Spinning Brushes Of Terror

#297 Posted by Tyrann [203.56.239.200], 18/09/2000 05:05 GMT , Refers to Post #296

Ok, I got it and uploaded it to my website. You can get the zip with maps and text here or you can just read the text here - Although you probably need the maps to follow what I'm saying.

Texturing Rotating Brushes

#298 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.201], 18/09/2000 09:26 GMT , Refers to Post #291

Sorry, there is no fix that I know of for making the textures on a rotate_object stay aligned.

Which is why I only use "grainless" or "flat" textures for coating spinning stuff...

Water Using Qoole

#299 Posted by Mr. EviL [165.228.129.12], 25/09/2000 06:33 GMT

Could Someone please send me a link where i can get a tutorial on how to make water, and lava.
thanks

Who Needs A Title Anyway

#300 Posted by BARiUM [213.64.109.22], 25/09/2000 13:16 GMT

what game ??
in quake, just use a *lava texture or a *slime testure...
in quake2 there are surface properties (slime and lava)

#301 Posted by BlackPope [209.52.215.33], 25/09/2000 18:23 GMT

After exploring many many of the wonderful

DM maps out there I realized something...
Most (like 90%) of the lifts being used in the maps are func_door entities...
I'm just wondering as to why people prefer to use doors instead of the func_plat (which I prefer) , is it because you can get other sound effects? does it somehow affect the fps? Im at a loss here...

fill me in...
-=

The Fact Is...

#302 Posted by Deathmonger [62.36.170.240], 25/09/2000 18:46 GMT , Refers to Post #301

When func_plat is placed in map editor what you are edoting actually is the final position of it, it will star "closed" at a lip distance acording to the group brush altitude. func_door are appear in the game as you have edited them in the editor.

So people who wants to place a plat and waste no time experimenting with the lip choses the func_door.

(well, that's what i can remember, I haven't used the worldcraft since... )

Deathmonger

Bleh, This Txt Box Is Too Short.

#303 Posted by CZG [130.67.142.223], 25/09/2000 21:19 GMT , Refers to Post #301

Because this is my real topic:
There are other advantages with func_doors too!
With func_plats, you are just slapping some brush in the level, and let the QC take care of how it operates, and thus you can only have a plat that starts down, and goes up when stepped on. (Well, you could trigger it to wait in the upright position, but why would you want that in a DM map?)
And now there was a bunch of great stuff I was going to say here about the advantages of func_door, but Blitz in #Terrafusion made me forget it just now!

Well, at least you can trigger them and have some funky sound effects, and you can delay how long it takes from stepping on them 'til they start moving, and some other stuff too.
This was supposed to be a really helpful and all out fabulous post, but the topic txt box being too short and the Blitz thing prevented that...
Boo

The Clouds Have Parted...

#304 Posted by BlackPope [209.52.215.10], 25/09/2000 22:31 GMT , Refers to Post #303

interestink... I personally have never had a need to use a trigger on my lifts but I see how it would be useful in ...

/me has a brain fart and forgets the name
... damn who's map is that... the lift takes up an entire corner section of a hallway (maybe its a couple maps) so a button would be needed because everone doesn't want to go up...

I'll just stick with func_plats... it's what they're for!

NEXT question....

... I rarely see the ring of invis in DM maps... it's not an all powerful item...so why does nobody like it?
/me makes a point to sneak it somewhere in his next level...

BP

Doors As Plats

#305 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.201], 26/09/2000 01:47 GMT

func_plats (in Q1, at least) generate a trigger that spans from the "top/spawning position" to the bottom end of the plat's travel, about 16 units in from the edge.

This means that when you walk right up to the top of a plat's "shaft", it automatically rises to greet you. If you wanted to get down the shaft, that could be a problem ;)

Triggering the plat with a button simply causes the thing to stay "elevated" until button is pressed, then it's annoyance as usual.

Using a func_door triggered by buttons top and bottom offers more avenues of descent, and more control for players. It also offers some strategic fun, eg. laying a grenade on the lift, then sending it up for them upstairs to enjoy... or laying a trap if the lift has to be triggered at either end.

/me Was Gonna Answer

#306 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.137.246], 26/09/2000 03:34 GMT

but you guys are just too damn fast.

/me uses func_door instead of func_plat because it is more versatile and altogether more controlable by the designer.

#307 Posted by than [212.188.147.22], 26/09/2000 10:26 GMT

I'm not sure you can do this with lifts but you can use func_doors to trigger other things by giving them a target and also add a delay to the triggering of this with wait (or delay, I don't remmeber). If you wanted a lift to rise up and always open a trapdoor above (for example) you could use this method rather than the slightly daft method of putting a trigger_multiple on the lift. This means the trapdoor would always open, wouldn't need extra triggers and if a player wasn't on it you wouldn't see a lift go through a solid door :)

I used this in apsp1 (although for doors and a drawbridge thing) where you trigger the first door with the gold key button which opens and halfway triggers the drawbridge which in turn triggers the second door as it gets about halfway.

-than

Leak Help, Pls

#308 Posted by OneDead [166.82.233.10], 26/09/2000 20:08 GMT

I'm new to qmap.com, and fairly new to Worldcraft, for quake1. While compiling my 3rd map, i'm repeatly getting "...leak found..." anywhere i place my "info_player_start" entity?! The cords in my process window show my player start entity every time! Any ideas...help!! Previous maps didn't do this...

Ooh, A Leak!

#309 Posted by CZG [130.67.143.112], 26/09/2000 20:22 GMT , Refers to Post #308

(Note: I know the Quake engine doesn't work at all like this, but this is a model of it that works fine for explaining things for me, so STFU all you engine wizards!)

OK, if you imagine that you are the Quake engine, and you have to remember an entire level, it'd be much easier for you if you knew that you could only walk around on the inside of it, because then you could forget completely about what's on the outside. No if your map leaks, it means that somewhere there is a hole from the playing area of your level and out into the big grey void outside. This would then mean for the Quake engine that you theoretically can get out that hole and see the entire level, outsides and all, all at once. This isn't good, because that's a lot to remember.

So basicly, there is a hole somewhere in your level, and it doesn't neccesary need to be your info_player_start that causes the leak, but the compiler tells you the coordinates of the closest entity to the leak.
Now to fix it, you msut first find the leak. Sometimes it is a big gapig hole that you just forgot to fill, and sometimes it can be a tiny crack hidden away in a corner somewhere.

The compiler shold when it reports a leak, also make a pointfile (*.pts) along with your bsp. Make sure both of those files are in the id1/maps/ directory, and then run you map as normal. (you are still able to play your map, only that it will run slower.) Now pull don the console, and type pointfile. Quake will then create a trail of dots from your leaking entity, through the leak, and into the void, that you can follow and then find the leaking area. Then it's just a matter of plugging the leak in your editor, slpa a brush infront of it or strech the surounding brushes together, just get it tightened up.

A lot of nonsense that maybe will help you...

Thanks, CZG!

#310 Posted by OneDead [166.82.233.85], 27/09/2000 02:13 GMT

hey, problem fixed now! I honestly knew about pointfile, but forgot about it! Brain cramp, ya' know! But without your reminder, I probably would have torn it about, so thanks for saving me about 2-3 hrs more work, CZG!!

Ring And Platforms..

#311 Posted by Kell [194.105.160.225], 27/09/2000 09:46 GMT

There are 3 reasons I can consider that incline people not to use The Ring in Q1DM;

Although it has zero effect on gameplay, the Ring Of Shadows' design is based on the defining artifact of Lord Of The Rings and therefore feels medieval; it looks out of place in an industrial map.

The Ring, like the Pentagram, takes -ages- to respawn, so one wonders if it's worth including at all, since some matches may be over before it reappears.

Although not as overtly powerful as the Quad,
invisibility in Quake does not have the funky 'refractor-field' effect of Q3A, just the floating eyeballs. Invisibility really means invisibility, which can give a skilled player as many free frags as he/she can scoop in 30 seconds.

As for the platforms...
I use platforms if I want a structure to function in a straightforward way. Players in the map quickly learn that standing on it means going up...and that's all. Simplicity can help gameflow. You can also check a flag that sets 'low trigger' meaning players can jump over a plat or even drop down a lift shaft without triggering it at the top.

Enough gibbering, I have a proper question, but I'll start a new post.

QDM Changelevels

#312 Posted by Kell [194.105.160.225], 27/09/2000 10:01 GMT

My earlier DM levels (some of which are available here) are designed to be connected via a start map. An unconventional idea maybe, but the idea was to allow players to select a map they like, rather than playing in a restricted linear sequence.

The problem is, by default players carry all armour and weapons when the frag/timelimit is hit from one map to the next, and this screws up the gameplay. A rocket launcher in a perforator only level? I think not.

I tested this in Scourge Of Armagon; if you progress through the SP Armagon maps in deathmatch mode, there are breaks between each 'episode'. Within an episode, the tech levels say, all weapons go with the player: but jumping onwards to the medieval episode, the player starts with only s-gun + axe.
How do I get this to happen with my levels?

I thought it might be the func_command entity from Armagon. The way I assume it should work is that the entity creates an invisible trigger box; when the player enters it, a console command is automatically executed. If I set the console command of the func_command to be [map blah] it should work...but nufffin happens. At all.

Any suggestions? Help me keep rocket launchers out of kdm4 :)

Re: QDM Changelevels

#313 Posted by CZG [130.67.143.95], 27/09/2000 15:58 GMT , Refers to Post #312

It is coded into the QC, something like
if(self.model) = hip1m2.bsp then give IT_shotgun IT_axe
I don't know exactly how it's written, I don't do QC, but it is there it's done, so sorry, you can't do that in custom levels without custom code too.

#314 Posted by Kell [194.105.160.225], 28/09/2000 09:46 GMT

dammit!
dammit!
dammit!

:(

thanks for the help, though, CZG

#315 Posted by Speedy [213.221.51.16], 30/09/2000 01:19 GMT

Big thanks to Tyrann and CZG for help.

Kell, Read This

#316 Posted by XeNoN [195.8.75.49], 01/10/2000 12:11 GMT

If you set the changelevel parameter on all the main maps to a small map with a few dm starts, a rune, and an exit leading to the start map, it should work; Someone enters the small intermission map, grabs the rune, and leaves, (preferably the server) then everyone will restart at the start map with no weapons except the shotgun & axe.

I'm not sure it will work, but its worth a try.
--------
>>XeNoN<<

Who Needs A Title Anyway

#317 Posted by Kell [194.105.160.225], 02/10/2000 15:47 GMT

It's certainly worth a try; I'll give it a go.

I have another query, whilst I'm on a roll.

The business of placing info_player_deathmatch entities at least 64 units from their centre to the nearest wall; is there a minimun distance vertically? How low can I make the roof above them?
I've got a few in my latest map: all the player starts are recessed in 'spawnboxes' but I occassionally get that 'respawn where you just died' problem?

Textures... N Stuff

#318 Posted by BlackPope [209.52.215.57], 02/10/2000 23:46 GMT

Occasionally I run Qbsp and I get an error... well not excactly and error it just stops responding...
It decides to stop responding on the "added 0 textures frames" line... (i think i got that right)
this only happens however when I have certain texture wad's loaded into WC... The Xatrix KP textures and the HExen2 + expansion textures are the ones that seem to be causing the problems...im geussing its something to do with the animated ones...due to the line it stops on...

It's not a critical problem because I just Use Texmex to pull out the textures I want to make a map with anyway and put them all into one .wad

I'm just wondering if anyone has a problem similar to this and if there is an easier way to get around it...
THX
BlackPope

#319 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 04/10/2000 00:04 GMT

Where can i get stoneless?

The Invisible Map!

#320 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.204.213], 04/10/2000 01:48 GMT

Hey guys, I'm working on my (second) Q3A map (with Quark, which is SWEET), but even though I haven't a single leak and all seems well enough, the sky shader seems to have run berserk and covered an entire section of the map (rendering it almost invisible). Has anyone else run into this prob, and know what might be causing it?

#321 Posted by SPeedy [213.221.48.89], 04/10/2000 02:27 GMT , Refers to Post #319

http://netspace.net.au/~jewsbury/stoneless/

#322 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 04/10/2000 04:37 GMT , Refers to Post #321

Thanks Speedy
WC has usless texturing, QER is too complicated ( :) QOOLE sux, time to try another..

#323 Posted by pjw [208.192.72.77], 04/10/2000 06:22 GMT , Refers to Post #320

Don't know if I can help you too much in Quark . . . does it "run berserk" in-editor, or in-game, or both? Maybe a screenshot? Do you get any error messages at the console when the map loads?

#324 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.198.157], 04/10/2000 09:34 GMT , Refers to Post #323

No man, this is the compiled map which is doing this (although I've typically only been running it without vis or light, but even with a full vis, it looks the same). You can get a zip of four screenies I've made here:

http://members.aol.com/biffdbree/q3files/imp3dm2shots.zip

#325 Posted by pjw [208.192.72.77], 04/10/2000 17:19 GMT , Refers to Post #324

That's some serious HOM (hall of mirrors) you got going on there . . .

Sometimes levels just seem to do this for no (obvious) reason in a single area, especially when the geometry starts to get a bit complex, but there usually is an obvious reason. Some of the below possibilities are sort of dumb, and I'm not sure how much you know or don't know, so forgive me.

I assume that you don't have any leaks--this would be the simplest thing (i.e. have you checked your junk.txt output to make sure that you aren't getting any leaks? A level will still compile and run, even with a leak, just badly. It's a good idea to check your junk.txt anyway, just to see if you have any other errors).

I also assume that everything looks fine in the editor, and that brushes are textured as they should be (no nodraw, etc.) and that when you load the level, you don't get any error messages at the console.

If all of the above checks out okay, then it's one of those less-obvious situations. Is your sky in that area unusually complex for some reason? (i.e. Is it more then just the typical roof w. maybe a couple of walls coming down from it?)

I have heard that sometimes hint brushes can get rid of odd vis errors, but I don't have any experience using them for this purpose, so can't really be more specific.

Is there something specific that you did in your last editing session that may have made this happen, and can you undo/redo it? The final resort (unfortunately) for this kind of shite is to simply rebuild the offending area, and fast-vis regularly to determine at what point your problem occurs. Hope this helps, and I wish I could have given you a more specific solution . . .

#326 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.199.34], 05/10/2000 00:29 GMT , Refers to Post #325

While Quark doesn't have an equivalent of a junk.txt, it does point out any leaks the map has, and even guide you to them. The sky brushes aren't necessarily complex (one section is made of of three regularly shaped brushes, so no fancy vertex manips are going on) -- however the ceiling and floor in that area is a little complex (mainly due to the area's odd shape). This is probably the culprit, and will probably have to be rethought (with several brushes simply going thru each other, rather than avoid this in the build). It may not be pretty, but hopefully I'll be able to see it. Thanks for all your help anyway, man -- I'll probably have more questions soon!

Re: Junk.txt

#327 Posted by pjw [208.192.72.77], 05/10/2000 04:29 GMT , Refers to Post #326

Yeah, I think I forgot you were using Quark about halfway through my post . . . the onset of senility is a scary thing.

Happy to (try to) help any time.

Heard Of Arghrad

#328 Posted by OneDead [166.82.233.20], 06/10/2000 08:10 GMT

Hey, has anyone heard of the lighting tool Arghrad, for the original quake? I stumbled across a site a while back that used this (or a similiar named lighting tool), and man what a difference. (he had before and after pics) But, now that I'm a little more interested in quake level editing, I can't find this web site again. I am aware of Arghrad3, for q2, but I'm sure there's one designed/coded for reg. quake.....help!? :))

It's Called Arghlite

#329 Posted by Tron [203.12.165.8], 06/10/2000 11:34 GMT , Refers to Post #328

The original tool was called arghlite for quake, you should be able to find it easily enough by just searching on http://www.fileplanet.com for "arghlite" Hope this helps.

Tron

Or Try TyrLite

#330 Posted by Speedy [213.221.51.32], 07/10/2000 02:05 GMT

It seems to be the best light prog for q1

http://www.planetquake.com/tyrann

Attenuation formulas, coloured lights, sunlight, anti-lights and some other features.

#331 Posted by Kell [194.105.160.225], 08/10/2000 14:59 GMT

I know this isn't really a mapping question, but you guys know what you're talking about so I thought I'd ask.

Is there a way to listen to my own mp3's or CD's while playing Q3A?

I wanna rail Klesk ]:= in time to Ministry :)

Q3A Beam Lighting

#332 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.195.204], 08/10/2000 23:38 GMT

I've got these four brushes using the "sfx/beam" shader, but they don't radiate light on their own. Do I have to use a really tight spotlight on them or what? Yeah, I'm still using Quark, so don't get too Q3R on me.

Re: Beam Lighting

#333 Posted by Nightbringer [203.109.252.13], 09/10/2000 01:59 GMT , Refers to Post #332

If you want the beams to emit light, copy the shader and add a q3map_surfacelight parameter.

Rere: Beam Lighting

#334 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.195.193], 09/10/2000 02:59 GMT , Refers to Post #333

You mean, copy the beam entry on the sfx shader file to a seperate file, including the _surfacelight param, and include it in the (eventual) .pk3 file for the map? How would I include it ("baseq3/scripts/sfx", or "baseq3/scripts/impfx", for instance)? I just don't wanna tinker too much and screw something up, here...

Re: Beam Lighting

#335 Posted by Maj [194.83.240.23], 09/10/2000 05:21 GMT , Refers to Post #333

I'm confused. Why would you want the beams to emit light? Surely they're positioned next to a light shader that's doing all the lighting work?

Don't Bother With Arghlite..

#336 Posted by ELEK [199.179.175.178], 09/10/2000 12:24 GMT , Refers to Post #328

Go straight to Tyrlite. It is a much better compiler, and you will get better results quicker. There are some excellent features in Tyrlite which arghlite doesn't support. Everything Arghlite has Tyrlite has and more.
-ELEK

Rere (Maj):

#337 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.197.184], 09/10/2000 12:30 GMT , Refers to Post #335

Well, something isn't working then, since the beams ARE NOT lit. I've selected "sfx/beam", and everything looks fine in a fullbright build -- is there anything else I need to select/use/add to get them to light?

#338 Posted by Lunaran [152.163.204.206], 09/10/2000 15:58 GMT , Refers to Post #337

Check the beam shader in question, as well as the texture alignment on the brush. If there's a lightmap stage on the beam shader, it's probably an unused broken shader (since it's not supposed to be darkened by surrounding light).

#339 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.195.193], 09/10/2000 20:26 GMT , Refers to Post #338

I wasn't sure what you meant by a "lightmap stage" for the shader, but I did notice that Quark has listed two identical entries for sfx/beam -- one under a texture folder, and the other under a shader folder. I had been using the one under the shader folder to texture the brushes in question, which I think might have been going about it back-asswards, since when I used the texture folder version, it lit up just fine in q3. They look don't look nearly as good as I would've thought, tho -- more like little see-thru cubes than lights. May have to go with spots.

So mebbe you helped =)

That Was The Point...

#340 Posted by GrindSpire [193.113.185.164], 10/10/2000 15:58 GMT , Refers to Post #339

The beams aren't supposed to produce light, they are placed next to actual lights in order to produce the effect of it shining through fog

#341 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.199.136], 10/10/2000 23:49 GMT , Refers to Post #340

They aren't affected by the lightmap, so in a way they ARE lit. But yeah, the light entities do do the trick.

I Still Think You Got It Kinda Goofy

#342 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.189.216], 11/10/2000 04:15 GMT , Refers to Post #341

you place a light somewhere, apply a light texture (shader) to the surface. then you make your foggy beam effect directly underneath/above the light that you built.

i would imagine it would look quite odd to have a like and a foggy cone, but no actual light texture to be found. ;p

Vis-blocker

#343 Posted by OneDead [166.82.233.42], 11/10/2000 10:51 GMT

Does anyone know what produces a good vis-blocker w/ reg Quake? I thought I read somewhere that a door, at least 32 units wide, provides a good vis-block!? I have one room that is small, with a few brushes in it, then I have another huge room beside it that has lots of brushes, and both room's floors are on same gridline (no steps down or ramps upward). Any ideas, without tearing up both rooms??

#344 Posted by Deathmonger [62.36.167.148], 11/10/2000 19:56 GMT

I've made different shaders for some weapon spot textures and I have a problem.
All of them use the same cut'n'pasted source code (from

lunbase jumpad)

and amazingly only one two out of six work!!
I've made some tests and I've find out that some apply correctly only in the XY axis, others in the ZX and so on.
My question is:
WTF?

Thanx in advance, Deathmonger.

Hmm, No Title

#345 Posted by XeNoN [195.8.75.176], 11/10/2000 20:38 GMT , Refers to Post #343

Um, No, you cant use a door or any entity as a VIS block, cos the Quake engine simply sees though them in game, and VIS ignores them, so you'll have to either reduce the amount of detail in the rooms, or use a sort of "donut Hall" where you exit one room, and have to follow a corridor round in a sort of donut shape (the idea is that a wall of some sort stops you from seeing both rooms at the same time)

NEways, try it and use the "R_draworder 1" command in game and see if the block has worked.

>>XeNoN<<

Waitaminute.

#346 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.205.69], 11/10/2000 23:09 GMT , Refers to Post #342

WTF are you talkin', Kan? Are you talking about texturing a light entity with a shader or what? If you are (???), I can't do that in Quark, anyway, since it just has this little dinky icon and a crosshair for positioning a light entity.

What I did (or have done so far) is have a brush textured with the shader, and stick a light inside of it. The light is weak enough to dupe whomever sees it into "assuming" that it and the shader are one and the same thing in the map. If there's some other way to do it than that, believe me, I'm ope to suggestions...

#347 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.188.73], 12/10/2000 00:23 GMT

first you need to get a clear mental understanding of shaders and textures and the difference.

a shader is nothing more than an OpenGL script. this script manipulates one or more textures into combinations and effects that you see in game. shaders are as simple as the metal footstep sound or a light emitting surface, or as complex as animated flames or alpha-masked effects.

I don't have any idea how quark has them seperated. your description sounded really... confusing. if you open the directory of textures called gothic_light you will find a bunch of light textures, some with similar names but a different number associated to them. if you don't, well... try loading the shaders for gothic_light.

what you should have is simply one brush with a light texture on 1 face. this light texture has a shader linked to it that causes it to emit light. next you place your foggy beam brush directly under the face of the brush with the light shader. apply your beam effect to the new brush with nodraw on the unwanted sides. you should now have a working light witha foggy beam. no light entity needed.

if you really are lost still, let me know. I'll send ya a quick example to show you what textures or shaders you should be applying where.

I Theenk I Got It

#348 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.197.152], 12/10/2000 23:25 GMT , Refers to Post #347

So "sfx/beam" isn't a shader but a texture, and the shader file attached to it is what you're talking about. I've obviously made the mistake of referring to the light textures as shaders -- I was thinking of the shader files and their accompaning textures as the same thing, or rather working together for the same goal. So what you're saying is that I would also need a light texture to provide the light, and the beam texture to simply accentuate it. Right?

#349 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.188.108], 13/10/2000 01:00 GMT , Refers to Post #348

but they would be applied to seperate brushes. if you load up a couple of q3 maps that have that effect in them (addict from peej or yogi's reloaded come to mind) you will see what i mean. you don't need a light entity at all.

#350 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.198.174], 13/10/2000 22:59 GMT , Refers to Post #349

Well, that's one hurdle down the pike...

Help Needed > Q2 Editors

#351 Posted by XeNoN [212.126.135.104], 14/10/2000 17:58 GMT

Which is the best, easiest free Quake2 Level editor out there? I am familiar with Q1 mapping, and would like to give Q2 a try.

Thanx,

XeNoN

#352 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.186.136], 14/10/2000 19:44 GMT

best and easiest to use generally don't go hand in hand, but there are comprimises to be found. i'm not sure on URLs for all these but you should be able to track them down.

worldcraft (not free, but you can get help with that here on qmap since they don't sell it anymore anyways)

qeradiant (definitely not the easiest to use, but arguably the best there is and also would open up q3 design for ya)

BSP (i know it's still out there somewhere :p)

Quark (also has q3 support now)

tread (never bothered with it, had radiant)

Qoole (not free, but has a nice interface which makes it easier to learn. has some icky bugs)

I've used all of those except tread at one point or another. All of them will allow you to make quake 2 maps. If you can fight thru the learning curve i suggest you try qeradiant. It rocks. :)

#353 Posted by Vigil [212.38.225.115], 14/10/2000 20:38 GMT , Refers to Post #351

Don't listen to kanaeda :). The best editor out there is the one you know best, you know how to use effectively and fast. So try different editors, see what like and use that. Say, I use WorldCraft and I like it. I have tried QERadiant but it would probably take ages for me to learn it as well as WC, so I can't be bothered right now. You may not like WC's system, if you don't, try out some other editor.

I'd say that's a pretty good list though.

Most games these days have one specific editor (HL with WorldCraft 3.3 being one example), but Quake 2 fortunately has some variety.

Yes, QEradiant is the way to go if you want to try Q3A mapping at some point, though if you like HL more, get WorldCraft. So the decision is up to you. Heh, it would probably be easiest just to use the editor you have used though, unless it's the piece-of-shit Radiant (remember to edit before posting).

Enough of me mumbling on my own.

Thanx Guys,

#354 Posted by XeNoN [212.126.131.77], 14/10/2000 23:30 GMT

But where do I get QEradient? Does anyone know the UrL?

Qeradiant.com?

#355 Posted by Auhsan [62.82.208.137], 14/10/2000 23:42 GMT , Refers to Post #354

Like He Said Already...

#356 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.186.136], 15/10/2000 00:13 GMT , Refers to Post #354

http://www.qeradiant.com

you want the build 135 install and the 147 update. the rogue brush repair plug-ins are pretty bad-ass, too. :)

#357 Posted by Speedz [213.221.51.19], 15/10/2000 06:00 GMT

Can you change the radial angle of spotlight (I use tyrlites mangle) I mean the thiknes of light cone

#358 Posted by GrindSpire [195.99.52.104], 15/10/2000 08:27 GMT , Refers to Post #357

What you set the normal angle of the light to is the width.

#359 Posted by Speedz [213.221.48.39], 17/10/2000 04:55 GMT

Can I change the hotkeys in WC 1.6
And how can I get registered ? No answer from their site..

And is there a 3d (3 point) plane-clipping?

#360 Posted by XeNoN [212.126.135.250], 17/10/2000 19:34 GMT , Refers to Post #359

Umm, I think they've stopped selling it now; and I'd recommend a different editor anyway, such as qED2, which is far easier to use and more versatile than Worldcraft.
Get it at www.3dmatrix.com , if yer interested

Mapobjects And Textures--export Problems

#361 Posted by G A Z E B O [24.114.57.190], 17/10/2000 20:36 GMT

I'm having a problem getting custom .md3s to show up with textures in Q3Radiant...

I've tried using Milkshape, hacked the .qc file, Npherno's GL Viewer, PakRat (on the Mac), SkinLinker, and generally thrashed around with this for so long that I think it's time to admit defeat... I wind up with wireframes (the id models load fine... sigh). I know with Q2 there was a nice 'bind skin' thing in Q2MDL I used to use...

I am obviously missing something here.
Most of what I find on the web applies to character models, but there is no control/.skin file for mapobjects, so I am inferring that the texture is bound in the .md3 compile/export process. But damned if any of the little proggies I have found will do the trick... I can't even hack the .md3, because, unlike Q2, it's not ASCII :-(

Help!

love,
G A Z E B O

Progetto Genoma .MAP File Available

#362 Posted by Mark Shan [212.216.23.248], 17/10/2000 21:36 GMT , Refers to Post #351

On my page http://utenti.tripod.it/shanks/genoma.htm the source .MAP file of "Progetto Genoma" is available for QEradiant : every newbie Q2 mapper can use it as base for addictional levels or personal modifications

Click here for more...

#363 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.200.33], 17/10/2000 23:21 GMT , Refers to Post #360

Yeah, it's very similar to WC -- or at least the original one was. I was such a doofus back then: when I'd get a leak in my map, I thought it was the editor, and NOT me (/slap to the forehead). Then I went to Deathmatch Maker, and totally fucked up...

Error In Linkdoors:

#364 Posted by Speedz [213.221.51.38], 18/10/2000 00:28 GMT

interconnected doors

(error in quake when i try to load a map.. )wtf?

#365 Posted by Speedz [213.221.51.38], 18/10/2000 00:36 GMT

its cross-connected doors error

#366 Posted by metlslime [63.84.192.10], 18/10/2000 00:45 GMT , Refers to Post #360

i used to use QED 1 & 2, before switching to Radiant. QED has a nice way to organize all brushes and entities into groups, and that is it's selling point i think. As for actual brush control, it falls behind QER. It has no vertice/edge/face manipulation, other than what you get from scaling the entire brush along one or more dimentions.

It also seemed slower than QER in general. It certainly was a step uip from Thred, which is what i used before QED. But if you are looking to learn a new editor, i would suggest QER over QED.

I Don't Really Know Much About

#367 Posted by pjw [208.192.72.77], 18/10/2000 02:09 GMT , Refers to Post #361

the Q3 model process, but this thread on the Q3World editing forum seemed like it might provide some useful information. Hope this helps.

User-friendly Mapping Programs

#368 Posted by Jesse [63.29.237.104], 18/10/2000 22:05 GMT

I'm a newbie to mapping, and I want to know what kind of map is very powerful with making Q1 maps. I tried the worldcraft.com link, but it doesn't work for some reason.....

#369 Posted by killazontherun [203.164.3.167], 19/10/2000 07:11 GMT

Look under cdrom/quake/utilities/level editors/(I think) and wc should be there.

#370 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 19/10/2000 18:38 GMT , Refers to Post #368

is at www.planetquake.com/worldcraft

#371 Posted by Speedy [213.221.51.58], 20/10/2000 02:05 GMT

Visit http://www.gamedesign.net/links.shtml
for a list of everithing, including some editor sites (q1/q2)

BSP 2 MAP Converter

#372 Posted by Perselicas [141.222.155.39], 20/10/2000 18:48 GMT

Is there a useful q1 BSP to MAP converter anywhere out there? The only one I can find generates a seperate brush for each face and gives a ridiculous number of brushes, but I doubt all the hacked maps I've seen were using it.

Thankx
~Pers

Why Do You Want It?

#373 Posted by GrindSpire [62.7.7.94], 20/10/2000 22:29 GMT , Refers to Post #372

That be the question.

#374 Posted by Tron [202.7.186.34], 21/10/2000 02:27 GMT , Refers to Post #372

There is one around called winbspc that does the job reasonably, all converters will give you a bit of a dodgy .map file though due to the way they work. ASking for one of those around here isn't really safe either, there was a big argument over them once when there was the whole fiasco of people coverting maps to quake 3 without permission. 8)

Tron

Converting Maps? Ack

#375 Posted by Perselicas [141.222.155.39], 21/10/2000 06:24 GMT , Refers to Post #374

No I just had a few plans involving the id deathmatch arenas. Quake 3? Y'all have nothing to fear from me ;)

~Percy

Extremely Frustrating Q1 Question

#376 Posted by Perselicas [141.222.155.39], 22/10/2000 15:17 GMT

How do you get a trigger_secret triggered by another trigger like a button or a counter? I'm thinking of e1m4 where the first secret appears to get triggered by a counter without the player walking over it.

Thanks ;)
~Perselicas

Where Is...

#377 Posted by Killjoy [198.115.164.149], 22/10/2000 17:47 GMT

where is that tutorial by danimal for making a weapon that floats in midair? i'd like to mess around with this in my next q1dm.

thx
-killjoy

I'll Take Them Both!

#378 Posted by CZG [148.122.66.52], 22/10/2000 19:06 GMT , Refers to Post #376

Perselicas:
Simply give the tirgger_secret a targetname that matches what you want to target it with. You might also want to set spawnflag 1, as that will keep anyone that enters the actual trigger (Yes you still set it up as usual) from making it go off.

Killjoy:
I heard from vondur that you place a func_wall under the weapon, and then kill it with some trigger with a "killtarget" field when the level loads or before you get to the place with the the func_wall in it.

I Don't Think That Was It

#379 Posted by Perselicas [141.222.155.39], 22/10/2000 22:27 GMT

If I give the trigger_secret a target, it works as a normal (walkover) secret and triggers the object.

If I set spawnflag 1, it just sits there and does nothing, ditto if I do both.

I'm trying to figure out how to get the secret to tally when a button is shot because the secret is similar to the dropping ceiling in e1m4 which, as far as I can tell, is getting triggered by the buttons that drop the ceiling and not by walking over anything. A trigger that targets the same target as the secret doesn't trigger the secret, at least not when I do it :) And Worldcraft isn't giving my secrets a "name" field. When I try to add it myself, Quake tells me that "'name' is not a field."

Sorry
~P-funk

#380 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 23/10/2000 00:43 GMT

im having trouble compiling maps: ie. i cant compile maps.

QBSP runs, gets down to writing a pointfile, then crashes. The weird thing is though, that it doesn't do this in QUARK (but it does in WC and the normal qbsp).

Anyone know how i can fix qbsp?
BTW, I dont think it is the maps fault, because i made a hollow square, with a default texture and a player start and it still did the same error.

#381 Posted by than [194.82.103.36], 23/10/2000 01:44 GMT

As CZG said, "targetname" is the field, not "name". If you don't want to set spawnflag 1 you can also place the trigger_secret in a brush where the player can't get to it (cept in noclip).

-than

Perselicas Is F00

#382 Posted by Perselicas [152.163.201.181], 23/10/2000 03:17 GMT , Refers to Post #381

I know CZG suggested targetname and not "name." I was only using name because I tried what I thought he was suggesting and it didn't work.

so far...

1) I created a trigger with the targetname "secret," created a button with the targetname "secret," ran the game and pressed the button, nothing happened.

2) Tried the same thing with spawnflag 1, nothing happened.

3) Created a trigger and button with the targetname "secret," created a door with the name "secret," ran the game and pressed the button. Nothing happened

4) Tried the same thing with spawnflag 1, nothing happened

Am I misunderstanding completely or is something really fucking weird happening here? :)

~plc

#383 Posted by Nightbringer [203.109.252.15], 23/10/2000 04:11 GMT , Refers to Post #382

Set the key "target" on the activator to the value of the key "targetname" on the thing you want to activate:
func_button "target" = "secret1"
trigger_secret "targetname" = "secret1"

Okay, I Did Exactly That...

#384 Posted by Perselicas [141.222.155.39], 23/10/2000 06:16 GMT , Refers to Post #382

And nothing happened. :( I made a test map using the directions if anyone's as curious or stumped as I am. The map contains a button, a door, and a trigger_secret. The target of both the button and the trigger and the name of the door are all the same. Noclipping through the trigger (above the switch) opens the door and tallies the secret. Shooting the button opens the door but does nothing to the trigger_secret like it's supposed to.

The URL is http://members.aol.com/suspenlute/notrig.map

This is extremely frustrating, I know it's possible. Argh...

~P

No You Didn't!

#385 Posted by GlassMan [195.184.253.80], 23/10/2000 12:55 GMT , Refers to Post #384

The trigger_secret should have "secretdoor" as its targetname, not its target.

DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#386 Posted by Perselicas [141.222.155.39], 23/10/2000 13:26 GMT

Yeah that works. I really did completely misunderstand everything. ugh. sorry. Thankyou CZG, thankyou than, Thankyou Nightbringer, Thankyou GlassMan.

/me turns red and goes back to work

Q1/Q2 Model Usage ...

#387 Posted by FragMental [198.103.146.133], 25/10/2000 16:39 GMT

Does anyone know if Q2 models/textures can be converted and used in Q1? I've seen some Q2 textures used in Q1, but no models ...

Floating Weapons...

#388 Posted by Jaj [62.83.9.143], 25/10/2000 23:59 GMT , Refers to Post #377

This is another way to do it.
Ok, first of all you must create a func_door with the height you want the weapon (or another item)appear, this func_door must be touching the floor. You must give it these parameters:
Name:dest1 (for example)
Sounds: 0 (no sound)
Delay before close :stays open
Speed: 10000 (a brutal speed ;) )
Lip: -1 (very important!, lip must be a negative number, this makes disappear of view, the func_door totally)
Angle: Down.

Place the weapon, over the func_door.

In the Info_Player_start and all Info_Player_Deathmatch you must create
a brush rounding them with a height you want (1 is enough).
An alternative could be to create an enormous box around all the map.
(I prefer the first way).
Convert the brushes or THE BIG BRUSH to trigger_once and give it these
parameters:
Target:dest1

If you have more than one item floating in the map, its just the same method. Give them all (func_door) the same name (dest1) and of course all trigger_once (or the big trigger_once) the same target (dest1), it works!.
I've uploaded a little example map, if you want you can download it here.
There could be more refined methods to do this, but this one works perfectly. :)

#389 Posted by nanospawn [62.36.139.44], 26/10/2000 20:48 GMT

A question
Dunno who of you has played my last map, spwn3dm2d (in beta, and save it by right-cliking, it's geocities >:(, the map weighs 1,5 megs ).

Near the RG there is a glass on the floor (with some pipes in) covering a hole. That glass is non solid (I had to add some clip texture).

Why is non-solid? the window over the RG has the same texture and it's solid...

Why the hell don't work Fullclip of missile clip textures, it's cos they are filling exactly the same space of the glass brush?

I can't guess why, and I'm wondering... plz help

Floating Weapons A Bit "cleaner" Way

#390 Posted by Jaj [62.83.45.204], 26/10/2000 22:49 GMT , Refers to Post #388

Another option is:
Forget all the parameters i said you must give the func_door, only give it a name (dest1) in that parameter.
Then, in the trigger_once add a new parameter called killtarget and its value must be dest1, of course.
This method is more simple and you put func_plat instead func_door. I've only applied what CZG said in his response but it didn't work on a func_wall (or i did something wrong... don't know), but it works in func_door... .

This Should Be Simpler...

#391 Posted by Perselicas [141.222.155.39], 29/10/2000 15:01 GMT

Than a secret with a targetname, I hope (still sorry about that) :)
How do you create a nice particle field like the one in A3 by Pingu or in some Q1 servers with invulnerable respawns?(screenshot here) Yes I'm already working on another map using the rubicon texture set (I think) :)

Thanks!
~Pers

#392 Posted by GrindSpire [62.7.52.178], 29/10/2000 16:13 GMT , Refers to Post #391

You make a key called effect or effects for the entity you want to have the field around. You then give it a value. From memory only odd numbers work and different numbers give slightly different effects. And because of engine restraints, you can only have this once per level.

#393 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.198.37], 31/10/2000 00:18 GMT

I've got two trigger_teleports in my q3 map, one targeting a destination named "t1", the second targeting a "t2". The prob is that both teleports end up at "t1". WTF is up with that?

Rebuild 'em

#394 Posted by DeFrag [207.227.185.5], 31/10/2000 01:21 GMT , Refers to Post #393

#395 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.206.207], 31/10/2000 01:40 GMT , Refers to Post #394

I was figured someone would say that.

#396 Posted by Biff_Debris [152.163.206.207], 31/10/2000 01:41 GMT , Refers to Post #394

Sorry -- "I figured someone would say that". Jeez...

You Probably Don't Have To

#397 Posted by pjw [208.192.72.77], 31/10/2000 06:48 GMT

really "rebuild" 'em, try just deleting the key values w. the button on the entities dealie and then reconnecting them w. Ctrl-K.

#398 Posted by GrindSpire [194.164.208.102], 31/10/2000 07:57 GMT , Refers to Post #393

You haven't given t1 two different targetname values have you?

#399 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.198.28], 31/10/2000 10:10 GMT , Refers to Post #398

As I mentioned above, "t1", being a destination, is a targetname. And no, the other destination is named "t2". I'll just try rebuilding them, and hope for the best(?).

#400 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.198.28], 31/10/2000 10:11 GMT , Refers to Post #397

That sounds a lot better, man.

Had To Rebuild 'em

#401 Posted by Biff_Debris [205.188.198.176], 01/11/2000 01:51 GMT , Refers to Post #394

And they work, by cracky! All I've got to do is place some goodies, compile for an aas, do some test runs with bots, and mebbe I'll be ready for a beta. Right?

Play Testers Needed

#402 Posted by Paul "palldjon" Bros [203.29.11.38], 01/11/2000 02:27 GMT

I've got a new Q1 SP level on the boil (my first) and would like it tested and picked apart. I'm pretty happy with the layout, theme and architecture but I'm not a real player's player, so some help with item and monster placement over skill variations would be greatly appreciated. Any seasoned mappers/players want a crack?

Of Course! :)

#403 Posted by Perselicas [141.222.155.39], 01/11/2000 03:20 GMT , Refers to Post #402

Always good to see new maps. I'm not the best judge out there of Q1 gameplay and difficulty, but I'd be glad to beta test the map, especially for visual stuff and stupid ass crushing wall bugs ;)

~Pers

#404 Posted by Gert [62.4.174.205], 02/11/2000 17:13 GMT

I want to use glas in Q3radiant for a brush.
How do i have to do it. Which texture?

#405 Posted by Johnny [209.122.228.130], 03/11/2000 00:50 GMT , Refers to Post #404

The texture is base_wall/glass01. You must texture only 1 face of the brush with this texture. The other sides of the brush should be textured with common/nodraw.

Portal Camera Roll - Help!

#406 Posted by G A Z E B O [24.114.57.190], 03/11/2000 14:43 GMT

Anyone know how I can stop/cancel/kill the rolling of the portal camera? I have messed as much as I can with the properties of the camera entity, and tried to compensate/futz with a portal_surface shader, and so far have had no success... I just want a portal that looks onto a place without the silly sea-sickness effect ;-)

love + rockets,
G A Z E B O

Simple Glass Shader

#407 Posted by G A Z E B O [24.114.57.190], 03/11/2000 14:58 GMT , Refers to Post #404

Glass shaders can also be created by using a .tga file with an alpha channel.

A simple shader might look like this:

snip -->

textures/yourMap/yourWindow
{

cull twosided
qer_editorimage textures/yourMap/yourTex.tga

surfaceparm trans
surfaceparm nomarks
surfaceparm nonsolid
surfaceparm nolightmap

{
map textures/yourMap/yourTex.tga
blendFunc add
}

}

<-- snip

The alpha channel controls the transparency. I can post some URLs if all this sounds a bit greek to you ;-)

The nice thing about this shader is that it's two-sided, and it also doesn't have the added processing overhead of environment effects.

love + rockets,
G A Z E B O

#408 Posted by Maj [194.83.240.35], 03/11/2000 16:53 GMT , Refers to Post #406

There is no way of stopping the portal roll without a mod, unless it's been changed for 1.25.

Oh, and blendfunc add means that the alpha channel is (effectively) ignored.

#409 Posted by G A Z E B O [24.114.57.190], 03/11/2000 21:31 GMT , Refers to Post #408

Thanks Maj...

Too bad about that roll thing... I had a nice 5-dimensional room happening, but the roll ruins the effect...

And glad you caught the oops on the portal shader. I think I have too many hacked up scripts lying around ;-)

#410 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 03/11/2000 22:14 GMT

When a map (Q1) ends, by fraglimit or time end, how do you make the players view goto a certain place
eg. on p3a when the map ends it goes to a view of the whole map.

how do i do this in my map?

Info_intermission

#411 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.201], 03/11/2000 22:23 GMT , Refers to Post #410

place this point entity where you reckon a good view resides, then give it a "mangle" field to set the viewing angles. The default value "0 0 0" has the intermission facing due east.

Mangles are evil. I can never remember which way around the axes the damn things rotate

Mangles As They Work For Me: (usually)

#412 Posted by Perselicas [141.222.155.39], 03/11/2000 23:15 GMT , Refers to Post #411

-the order of the values is pitch, yaw, roll
-they all need to be three digits (no negative values)
-I think pitch was mysteriously working in reverse the last time I had to place an intermission :)

~P

#413 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 04/11/2000 04:36 GMT , Refers to Post #411

thanks very much Fat Controller

Arches (q1)

#414 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 04/11/2000 06:41 GMT

How do you all make arches for q1?
Vertex manip, carving/CSG subtraction, skewing?

Or could someone point me in the direction of some arch prefabs, for ideas of course

#415 Posted by BARiUM [62.20.133.10], 04/11/2000 14:38 GMT

in q1 is preferably done with vertex manip...
and with the following info from SPoG...

12 sided 0:1 1:2 2:1 1:0
24 sided 0:2 1:4 2:4 3:3 4:2 4:1 2:0

Those are the ratios of the angles of the sides of
one-quarter of a 24-sided cylinder.

First side is vertical in the xy view - ration 0:2.
The next side slopes in at 1/4, then another side
slopes in at 1/2, etc.

#416 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 04/11/2000 21:40 GMT , Refers to Post #415

Thanks, BARIUM,

#417 Posted by Speedy [213.221.51.42], 05/11/2000 04:37 GMT , Refers to Post #415

why 12, not 16 sided?

#418 Posted by BARiUM [213.64.109.147], 05/11/2000 13:10 GMT , Refers to Post #417

i realy don't know.. thou shalt not question SPoG, for he is the allmighty!

For Ease Of Use

#419 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.188.91], 05/11/2000 19:20 GMT , Refers to Post #417

it's harder to scale 16 sided cylinders and keep them on a clean grid. it also reduces the number of polys in the scene, and helps to simplify the vis table in that area. :)

What Are Clipnodes?

#420 Posted by Gilt [154.5.31.53], 05/11/2000 20:41 GMT

12-sided Cylinders..

#421 Posted by Fingers [216.201.152.165], 06/11/2000 19:48 GMT

Another nice-looking ratio:
1:4 3:3 4:1

Useful for a 12-sider that has points in the cardinal directions as opposed to "flat" sides, top and bottom... This way the transition to the sides of an archway also occurs perfectly level with the center of the arch... :)

(To make it 24-sided, you simply cut each side in half and move the new edge outwards a bit)

#422 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.200], 07/11/2000 00:48 GMT , Refers to Post #421

Have you seen those shots of that map I did in yer Q3 IKbase tex yet?

http://www.planetquake.com/fatty/rcctf1.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/fatty/rcctf1a.jpg
http://www.planetquake.com/fatty/rcctf1b.jpg

Lemme know what you think. I'm still having trouble with fullbrights here and there, but I'm trying to fix 'em.

Interesting...

#423 Posted by Fingers [216.201.152.165], 07/11/2000 01:53 GMT , Refers to Post #422

Doesn't look too bad at all... Nice and crisp... I'll definitely check out the map whenever you release it :)

I'd put a border on the side of those stairs though, and a slab on the bottom... No floaty cubes ;p

Oh.. If you need a better rock texture, try working with this one...
http://www.planetquake.com/ikq/stuff/cliffy.jpg

#424 Posted by Palldjon [203.29.11.38], 08/11/2000 05:51 GMT

Vigil, LTH, scraggy, grindspire and than have agreed to beta test c4m1 "Material Demands" so I don't need any more help at this stage. All going well, I'll post the finished level in a couple of weeks. QMAP is superb!

Fullbrights.

#425 Posted by killazontherun [203.164.3.167], 10/11/2000 08:25 GMT

ok, don't laugh at me but how do you get rid of fullbrights in q1?

I've tried texmex to get rid of them but that just adds more.

How I Do It....

#426 Posted by Tron [203.29.136.138], 10/11/2000 09:02 GMT

Basically I just made a new pallete where all teh fullbright colours were black. I first convert textures to the full quake pallate, then load the new pallate which doesn't have any fullbrights in it.

Tron

I'm To Brain Dead For A Title.

#427 Posted by killazontherun [203.164.3.167], 10/11/2000 11:12 GMT

Thanks tron, but I just redid the textures so they didn't have fullbrights in them. :)

#428 Posted by GlassMan [195.184.253.80], 10/11/2000 13:08 GMT , Refers to Post #425

Texmex also has an option to import without using full brites in the colour conversion.
View->Preferences->Workspace.

Q3 Mod Team Seeking Level Designers!

#429 Posted by Jezebel [64.217.234.100], 10/11/2000 22:59 GMT

Any person out there who's interested in creating levels for a laid back Q3 mod team please let me know. Interest in map editing, motivation and the ability to work well with a team is really all we ask. We're comfortable with working around schedules, although we do ask that members attend our weekly Sunday development meetings. However for someone that's devoted, we are more than willing to make exceptions. :)

I would appreciate it if whoever is interested would post some of their artwork for me to look at as well.

Hmm.. what else... well, we're called Artemis Software and the mod is based around a Greek/Atlantis theme. We were originally founded by a group of young ladies but have just recently added a guy to the team. Our current level designers keep running into problems with their personal lives so they are having a hard time keeping up with development. Someone help us out here! ;)

Thanks!
Beth

Click here for more...

Mapping And Running

#430 Posted by Perselicas [141.222.155.39], 11/11/2000 05:51 GMT

I guess this is an aesthetical question... or something. Should a mapper even bother thinking about speedrunning potential while making a map? And if so, is it better to make a running-friendly or running-hostile map?

~P

Who Needs A Title Anyway

#431 Posted by DeFrag [207.227.184.97], 11/11/2000 06:54 GMT

I have a jumppad that I used in Crippled Ice-Cubes. I turned the middle of it alpha so that I could place a round-fan texture underneath. Well... since the fan .tga also has an alpha-chan, I get HOM when I look through MY jumppad. I have a vis-block under both of 'em.. eh?

#432 Posted by Johnny [209.122.226.208], 11/11/2000 07:23 GMT , Refers to Post #431

Make the brush that bears the jumppad texture a detail brush. Then the brush underneath will be rendered, and no more HOM. Be sure to make the unseen faces on that detail brush common/nodraw.

#433 Posted by Nightbringer [203.167.247.214], 11/11/2000 07:58 GMT , Refers to Post #431

Ensure both shaders have surfaceparm trans. If they do, try making both the fan and the jump pad detail. I'm not too sure if/why this works...

#434 Posted by Nightbringer [203.167.247.214], 11/11/2000 07:59 GMT , Refers to Post #432

...Beat me to it

Reached Occupant At...

#435 Posted by RectalPaingGenerator [165.247.131.153], 11/11/2000 23:05 GMT

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
reached occupant at: (-184,-328, 328)
no filling performed
leak file written to bsdsas1a.pts
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I receive this lovely error on my map. The entity at this location (a light) is clearly not inside a brush, or outside of the playing area. Deleting this brush merely make WQBSP point at another light/entity.

I recently got this lovely error:

Warning: CutNodePortals_r:newportal was clipped away

but it disappeared seemingly after I moved some vertices.

Anybody know what's going on?

Please?

Sounds Like A Leak...

#436 Posted by Fingers [216.201.152.165], 12/11/2000 02:26 GMT , Refers to Post #435

Run Quake with -particles 99999, Load the pointfile and follow the line of dots... That'll get you to the leak. (Or just look for a small gap between brushes)

Hmm, No Title

#437 Posted by Perselicas [141.222.155.39], 12/11/2000 04:35 GMT , Refers to Post #435

The entity at this location (a light) is clearly not inside a brush, or outside of the playing area. Deleting this brush merely make WQBSP point at another light/entity.

That's because a leak in your map brings the outside into the inside and it's only giving you the location of the first entity the greyvoid hits when it enters the leak (yay visuals) Did you try typing pointfile in the console and walking to the entity?

Speedy Thought A Title Wasn't Needed

#438 Posted by Speedy [213.221.51.24], 12/11/2000 05:50 GMT , Refers to Post #435

Most of the editors have built-in leak tracing, that`s more handy, than ingame one.
What prog do you use?

In Editor Leak Tracing..

#439 Posted by Tron [203.29.136.134], 12/11/2000 08:53 GMT

if he uses worldcraft he's screwed. The pointfil information is useless in that...

Tron

Vertex Manipulation

#440 Posted by Kell [194.105.160.225], 12/11/2000 17:07 GMT

I've had the'cutnode' nonsense before.
It often means that two vertices on a brush have been placed on the same point, or you've used vertex manip to turn a brush inside out, which is considered an illegal 'concave' object by Quake.
Sometimes, all that happens is the offending brush fails to appear in the game.

In general, if you're using vertex manip, consider the shape you want to creat first, then alter only one brush at a time between compiling so if an error occurs, you know what action caused it.

This is the closest I ever get to tech support.

#441 Posted by Vigil [212.38.226.7], 12/11/2000 17:24 GMT , Refers to Post #440

I got that error when I built 2 completely separate areas and the other had a leak.

#442 Posted by RectalPainGenerator [165.247.148.210], 12/11/2000 18:31 GMT

/me looks at that message and makes a mental note not to b0rk up the message this time

Okay, the pointfile is 0 bytes, so it does me no good in the game or in the editor (I'm using BSP and Q3Radiant, BTW. BSP for checking the pointfile and other stuff I can't do in Q3R, and Q3R for all the brush creation and texturing).

I have been doing a lot of vertex manipulation, but only on 4 sided brushes (think something like pyramids) so it's pretty much impossible to have a concave brush, and Q3R won't let you have 2 verts at the same location. I'm not saying it's impossible for there to be a bad brush in this map, just that I don't know which of the 450 brushes to look at (and I edited about 50-100 of those last time I made changes).

Any other information?

Tks Johnny & NightB..

#443 Posted by DeFrag [207.227.185.110], 12/11/2000 19:40 GMT

I'll try those out. :)

#444 Posted by Gilt [154.5.70.231], 12/11/2000 20:57 GMT , Refers to Post #442

I have this same problem in one of my maps I'm working on. Are you mapping for Q3? I only really know about Q1, but it should be similar enough.

It's most likely not so much the brushes problem, as much as how it's positioned along with other brushes. Once you do find it, you'll probably have to rearrange some of the brushes slightly, in the area around the brush.

An interesting thing about this error is that you'll be able see the brush but you can also go through it too, just like a func_illusion, thus the leak and absense of point file because the compiler still thinks that the brush is there. This leads me to theory that it has something to do with screwed up clipnodes... not that that will help you much.

So if you have an area that you suspect might be the culprit, you could use the gl, or whatever the equivlent is in q3, and just launch them around. If any disappear through a brush then you've found it. It might take a while but I'm still looking for a faster way of finding them...

4 sided brushes
If your using them for only one face, as in organic type architecture, I find they can get a bit messy. I prefer just to use wedges :-)

RE: Vertex Manipulation

#445 Posted by Gilt [154.5.70.231], 12/11/2000 21:02 GMT , Refers to Post #440

In general, if you're using vertex manip, consider the shape you want to creat first, then alter only one brush at a time between compiling so if an error occurs, you know what action caused it.

Editing one brush at a time can be a lot of work. If your using wc (I'm not sure if it'll work with other editors), when you have a brush that you've been working on with vertex manip, and you think there could be an error in it, try cliping the brush, but don't actually clip the brush.

To clarify, with the cliping tool, select the brush and then clip right beside the brush but not the brush itself. Also, you might try swinging the clip plane through the brush before cliping, because sometimes it might not work otherwise.

Anyway, this will make the brush valid by changing it's shape, or making it disappear, depending on the severity of it's error.

Leak With No Pointfile

#446 Posted by Speedy [213.221.48.31], 13/11/2000 01:07 GMT , Refers to Post #442

I`v had that when messed around with very complex geometry, thats not grid aligned. Like those holow spheres you can build with bsp, or rotating holow rounded pipes non-90 degree. And it gives that shit menyioned above - brush is there, but you can go through it.

And btw, WC doesn`t save concave brushes to map. If you make one, save to .map and load - you`ll see a regular shape instead of what you`d done.

#447 Posted by RectalPainGenerator [165.247.135.46], 13/11/2000 21:43 GMT

I've been around the level, and I don't seem to fall out of any floors/walls/ceilings.

To clear up a few things:

* I'm using BSP and Q3R to make the map.

* This is for Quake1

* I'm not using WC

If nobody comes up with a solution soon, I guess I'll pretty much start over.

RPG

#448 Posted by Mike Woodham [193.113.185.132], 13/11/2000 22:48 GMT , Refers to Post #447

Don't start over. Sometimes these two things are part of the same error. Check for poorly fitting and densly packed brushes, especially small, pointed ones e.g spheres.

If you really are going to start over, send me the map first and I'll see if I can help: I have some experience with Bsp.

REgards

Mike Woodham

About Leaks....

#449 Posted by Jaj [62.175.124.168], 14/11/2000 01:46 GMT

Sometimes, all brushes seem to be perfect when looking for a leak, when this happens, i use to load the .map, and hehe...yes, then i find some horrible, deformed brush(es) that causes it all. Once you know the guilty or guilties then you can correct them by vertex manipulation or just erase them and create a new brush(es) but slighty different :) .

Thanks Doods

#450 Posted by RectalPainGenerator [165.247.136.249], 15/11/2000 18:09 GMT

I appreciate all the tips and such(especially the offer from Mike Woodham), but none of this has solved my problem. :-/ I think I'll copy all the brushes that I know aren't causing any problems to a new map (200 of the 450 brushes), and start over with that.

Thanks again for the help.

No Vising Performed

#451 Posted by CtM [195.252.52.12], 16/11/2000 20:15 GMT

LoadPortals: couldn't read c:mapsctm04ctm04.prt
No vising performed.
What's wrong?
There is no leak and qbsp didn't give me an error message.

See If There's A Pointfile

#452 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.200], 17/11/2000 03:52 GMT , Refers to Post #451

go to wherever the map is through the DOS prompt and type

dir mapsctm04ctm04.*

if indeed that is your map's name. Otherwise I'll assume you forgot to include the backslash(/)es, so try

dir ?/maps/ctm04/ctm04.*

Where ? is where Quake/ID1 is.

#453 Posted by Vrajgh [212.159.1.3], 18/11/2000 17:47 GMT

hehe A backslash goes the other way () what you've given are slashes!!! never mind lol

#454 Posted by Vrajgh [212.159.1.3], 18/11/2000 17:49 GMT , Refers to Post #453

It seems this board doesn't draw backslashes anyway... sorry \\

#455 Posted by Vrajgh [212.159.1.3], 18/11/2000 17:51 GMT , Refers to Post #454

so it draws them sometimes but I bet not on their own... oh who cares I give up

No Vising Performed

#456 Posted by Jaj [62.83.16.149], 19/11/2000 00:50 GMT , Refers to Post #451

There is another possibility. If there is a 2d brush in the map (it could be created by using carve or a vertex manipulation, i think). If so, qbsp doesn't give any error but it gives a "warning:brush with duplicate plane" message.
I don't know if a brush with a duplicate plane is exactly a 2d brush or any brush with a thickness under 1 unit.
If you get that warning, well you know, try to look for that brush or brushes an erase them. :)

Brush With Duplicate Plane.

#457 Posted by CZG [148.122.66.52], 19/11/2000 01:00 GMT , Refers to Post #456

I think that means that somewhere on the level, there are two brushes that have two identical faces.

Yes..... :)

#458 Posted by Jaj [62.83.16.149], 19/11/2000 02:41 GMT , Refers to Post #457

Definitively i think so, now. I just remembered i've had brushes with a thickness under 1 unit but not 0, and no "warning:brushes with duplicate plane" appeared and the map was compiled completely.

Duplicate Planes

#459 Posted by Fingers [64.123.34.177], 19/11/2000 04:09 GMT

Means that a brush has two faces that are on the same plane. This is generally impossible to see in the editor or the game... The most common cause of this error is dragging vertices/edges in a position that causes the editor to "correct" the brush to keep it convex... E.g. Drag a square brush into a triangle shape, and it'll seem to only have three sides after that, like a "true" triangular brush... But one of the sides will be a duplicate and it'll cause trouble.

#460 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 21/11/2000 06:14 GMT

I want a button to make two sides of a bridge move out to meet each other. How do i do this?

ie. When a button is pressed two brushes from opposite sides of a 'valley' (i couldnt think of another word) come together and stop, forming a bridge.

#461 Posted by Johnny [209.122.226.132], 21/11/2000 07:08 GMT , Refers to Post #460

How bout specifying which game you want to do that for? That might solicit more helpful responses.

#462 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.200], 21/11/2000 08:54 GMT , Refers to Post #460

Set your button to target two func_door entities.

The doors should have angles that "aim away from" each other. Set the spawnflags for Toggle and Start Open: This'll light the doors in the "closed" position, but they will spawn in the "open" one.

Sounds confusing but... yeah. Result will be a bridge that opens and closes as desired.

Vising Problem

#463 Posted by Tron_school [203.38.138.22], 21/11/2000 22:20 GMT

Okay, I've got a problem with vising this map. It compiles and lights okay, but when I try to vis it it chugs along for about half an hour (it's a big map) before crashing with an error message with something about "sawing into a a leaf" or something like that. I'm at school now so can't remember the exact error message but does anyone know what the problem might be?

Tron

#464 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 21/11/2000 23:04 GMT

Thanks Fat Controller, I think i had the angles going the wrong way.

q1 - sorry Johnny, I always forget to do that :P

Sounds Like...

#465 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.137.86], 22/11/2000 00:05 GMT , Refers to Post #463

Warning: Leaf portal saw into leaf.

this tutorial here at gamedesign.net should explain what it means and what to do about it.

yes, i realise this is a tutorial for quake 2 compiling errors, but the VIS process is basically the same for the 2 different games. :)

Thanks Kanaeda...

#466 Posted by Tron [203.29.136.248], 24/11/2000 08:18 GMT , Refers to Post #465

I'm checking out that tutorial now, thanks a lot for the link.

Tron

#467 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 25/11/2000 01:09 GMT

I have a line error, . I haev tried deleteing the brush from a text editor , RPG kindly fixed it in q3r, but then the map didn't load in WC and the brush couldnt be found in q3r (im guessing there is a search function in q3r somewhere).

What can i do, this is so annoying as i am so close to completion.

quake 1 by the way.

Editing Maps Manually...

#468 Posted by Tron [202.7.186.34], 25/11/2000 01:30 GMT

For some reason worldcraft doesn't like it whenever I try to alter maps in a text editor, I'm not sure of the exact reason though. Any techinal programming type people know the reason because I'm interested to know as well.

Tron

Quiver Questions

#469 Posted by high on life [204.210.176.80], 25/11/2000 03:46 GMT

hey, im using quiver (mac q1 editor) and i have some questions. one, i want some monsters to appear once an item is picked up, and i'm not sure what i should do to the item to get that to happen. the other is, once those monsters are killed, i want some more monsters to appear. i dont think i'd have to set targets from each necessarilly killed baddie to the new ones, cause that would be craziness. and then finally, once all the monsters in the level are dead, i want the door to my exit to open.

sorry about the mad ammounts of questions, i want to enter that 100 brush contest, but i usually dont work with monsters in that way. i dont even know how to get it so a key is needed to open a door in quiver :| the read me's that come with it arent really in-depth on the entities, so any and all help would be greatly appreciated :]

`high on life

#470 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 25/11/2000 06:51 GMT , Refers to Post #469

I think www.planetquake.com/qref will help you, its not for quiver, but it does cover some of the things you want to do.

#471 Posted by biglurch [63.42.204.211], 25/11/2000 21:14 GMT

HOWDY ALL
I've recently started making A q2 map using the sharware version 2.50 of winqoole. A couple of probs, limited to 300 brushes and only two weeks to work with :{
I've gone to many web sites trying to find a place to purchase winqoole and there either dead sites or no info on this product. Any ideas where to find it or info on another good editor {cheap :} would be appreciated.
thanx lurch

Biglurch - Editors.

#472 Posted by killazontherun [203.164.3.167], 25/11/2000 22:00 GMT , Refers to Post #471

Don't buy qoole even if you do find it, it isn't worth the money because of its many little bugs.

My suggestion is www.qeradiant.com (make sure you get the q2 one not the q3 one).
Its a lot better editor, at first it may be hard but its alot faster to use then qoole.
Best of all its free.

#473 Posted by Asriel [203.96.152.184], 27/11/2000 02:15 GMT

pop.gamedesign.net is where you can get a free QOOLE methinks, but i'd get qeradiant if i were you, its harder , but much much better.

Or you could just go for worldcraft : www.planetquake.com/worldcraft

#474 Posted by biglurch [63.42.204.145], 27/11/2000 19:19 GMT

Well in my search for the full version of qoole, I came across a free editor called tread3d. It's took a few days to get used to the different functions. But it seems to work well. It also has A few options that help in the building process.
thanx for all the info
lurch

What Doors?

#475 Posted by palldjon [203.29.11.180], 28/11/2000 00:16 GMT

So, I'm modifying my first ever Q1 map in light of the beta test feedback from Scragbait and The Lieutenant (thanx a whole heap, you are champions). In the process I noticed something unusual.

I'm using Worldcraft shareware version.

1. When I "Check for problems" from the map menu, amongst all the messages telling me that path_corner has unused values (which I ignore, cause I've given it a "wait" of -1 on purpose) I find 5 messages indicating that "func_door has no solid associated with it". When I "go to error", I find all five errors located at 0,0,0 point. However, I don't have a cursor but a crosshair (as if I'm working "inside" a selected object). When the crosshair is placed over the 0,0,0 point it turns red?? and only then can I delete the problem. The number of func_door errors equals the number of test builds. Can I expect to generate one of these errors each time I build?

Texture Request?!?!

#476 Posted by Kayin [216.127.1.63], 29/11/2000 03:59 GMT

i came across the need for a custom texture for my new map in quake 1... but lack the ability to do so. (not knowledge, but skill wot)

it's all about the billboards, baby. i hate them. q3, rocket arena 3, q3f, everyone seems to love billboards. jesus christ quake isn't an advertising revenue, it's a game. so i'm going to make fun of them a bit. =P

gen_o_com3 from the reincarnation series has the perfect look i'm going for, but i need to replace the words. right now it says "watch out for the neocron" or whatnot... anyone be able to edit the text or make me something along those lines in style? i want to make it say "buy panda drinks" and a cute, cuddly wanna kill you panda sitting beside a soda pop can if possible

if you can do this, (hell i might even pay a few $) plz email at kayin@infinet.com

for proof i have a map underway that warrants having to drudge out a tex for, here is a pic of my last build:

http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~keichena/q1/ugf/ugf-sm-01.jpg

here is a shot of that tex i was talking about

http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~keichena/hihi.jpg

#477 Posted by Kayin [216.127.1.110], 04/12/2000 05:20 GMT

anyone able to help me on this gets extra cookies for christmas...

just laid the final architechure for my new dm map and got this bullshit:

--- LoadMapFile ---
C:Mapsugf007.map
646 brushes
126 entities
45 miptex
840 texinfo
building hulls sequentially...
--- Brush_LoadEntity ---
627 brushes read
---- CSGFaces ----
4375 brushfaces
10596 csgfaces
1836 mergedfaces
----- SolidBSP -----
2782 split nodes
1295 solid leafs
1488 empty leafs
0 water leafs
5388 leaffaces
5010 nodefaces
----- portalize ----
WARNING: CutNodePortals_r:new portal was clipped away
----- FillOutside ----
1290 outleafs
----- SolidBSP -----
1310 split nodes
707 solid leafs
604 empty leafs
0 water leafs
3523 leaffaces
3173 nodefaces
MODEL: *1
MODEL: *2
MODEL: *3
--- FinishBSPFile ---
WriteBSPFile: C:GamesQuakeId1mapsugf007.bsp
added 0 texture frames
1094 planes 21880
5829 vertexes 69948
2972 nodes 71328
840 texinfo 33600
5832 faces 116640
2500 clipnodes 20000
1940 leafs 54320
6372 marksurfaces 12744
23175 surfedges 46350
15055 edges 60220
45 textures 609564
lightdata 0
visdata 0
entdata 9074
11.0 seconds elapsed

qbsp generates no .prt file, thus i cannot vis.

wtf? anyone able to help?

Check For A .PTS File

#478 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.202], 04/12/2000 08:13 GMT , Refers to Post #477

I've had QBSP fail to alert me to the presence of leaks while quietly writing pointfiles.

The only thing to do is load 'er up and play hunt the leak.

#479 Posted by Kayin [216.127.0.167], 04/12/2000 09:07 GMT , Refers to Post #478

lo and behold, i had a tunnel archway i sheared off and lowered, but forgot to move the lights down along with it... so they were moping around in the void without telling anyone. yup, a pointfile hunt revealed the culprit.

well, on teh bright side... i snagged a newer version of qbsp (screw that watered down wc copy) and scripted a batch file (something my lazy arse should have done years ago)

also had a wierd anomality of one of my skybrushes doing the void cha-cha, and changing it from a slanted brush to a solid brush with a slice out of it fixed it...

anyways, back to wc. *yawn* good morning, everyone. i have to go to school in 3 hours... YIPEE

#480 Posted by ELEK [199.179.175.141], 05/12/2000 05:37 GMT

Been using Rvis+ for a bit recently, but I am encountering strange results with the status indicator. It just quits after some time and seems to compile the map fine. But the status indicator looks like it never finished. I run the map and all looks like vis has been run on it. here is a copy of the log from the process window
** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "c:quakemapsoandu.map" "C:Quakeid1mapsoandu.map"

** Executing...
** Command: C:Program FilesWorldcraftQbsp.exe
** Parameters: C:Quakeid1mapsOANDU

Transparent water QBSP with Hipnotic extensions
MultiWAD version 1.65
by Ken Alverson based on original code by John Carmack

outputfile: C:Quakeid1mapsOANDU.bsp
--- LoadMapFile ---
C:Quakeid1mapsOANDU.map
2444 brushes
310 entities
25 miptex
2357 texinfo
building hulls sequentially...
--- Brush_LoadEntity ---
2408 brushes read
---- CSGFaces ----
18649 brushfaces
58476 csgfaces
4293 mergedfaces
----- SolidBSP -----
4511 split nodes
2439 solid leafs
2073 empty leafs
0 water leafs
8791 leaffaces
8140 nodefaces
----- portalize ----
----- FillOutside ----
2316 outleafs
----- SolidBSP -----
1957 split nodes
1308 solid leafs
650 empty leafs
0 water leafs
5428 leaffaces
4590 nodefaces
---- MergeAll ----
4340 mergefaces
writing C:Quakeid1mapsOANDU.prt
MODEL: *1
MODEL: *2
MODEL: *3
MODEL: *4
MODEL: *5
MODEL: *6
MODEL: *7
MODEL: *8
MODEL: *9
MODEL: *10
MODEL: *11
MODEL: *12
MODEL: *13
MODEL: *14
MODEL: *15
MODEL: *16
MODEL: *17

MODEL: *18
MODEL: *19
MODEL: *20
MODEL: *21
MODEL: *22
MODEL: *23
MODEL: *24
MODEL: *25
MODEL: *26
MODEL: *27
MODEL: *28
MODEL: *29
MODEL: *30
MODEL: *31
MODEL: *32
MODEL: *33
MODEL: *34
--- FinishBSPFile ---
WriteBSPFile: C:Quakeid1mapsOANDU.bsp
added 0 texture frames
2666 planes 53320
7315 vertexes 87780
2773 nodes 66552
2357 texinfo 94280
5821 faces 116420
4095 clipnodes 32760
1202 leafs 33656
7153 marksurfaces 14306
25766 surfedges 51532
13154 edges 52616
25 textures 279904
lightdata 0
visdata 0
entdata 24138
216.0 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: C:Program FilesWorldcrafttyrlite.exe
** Parameters: -nocount -extra C:Quakeid1mapsOANDU

----- TyrLite v0.7beta -----
extra sampling enabled
BSP is version 29
310 entities read, 201 are lights.

Lighting Completed.

lightdatasize: 315337
0 switchable light styles
Writing BSP version 29
1306.0 seconds elapsed

** Executing...
** Command: C:Program FilesWorldcraftrvisVis.exe
** Parameters: -level 4 C:Quakeid1mapsOANDU

---- rvis+ ----
testlevel = 4
997 portalleafs
2658 numportals
Calculating Base Vis:
1 of 5316: 0
2 of 5316: 0
3 of 5316: 0
4 of 5316: 0
5 of 5316: 0
6 of 5316: 0
7 of 5316: 0
8 of 5316: 0
9 of 5316: 0
10 of 5316: 0
11 of 5316: 0
12 of 5316: 0
13 of 5316: 0
14 of 5316: 0
15 of 5316: 0
16 of 5316: 0
17 of 5316: 0
18 of 5316: 0
19 of 5316: 0
20 of 5316: 0
21 of 5316: 0
22 of 5316: 0
23 of 5316: 0
24 of 5316: 0
25 of 5316: 0
26 of 5316: 0
27 of 5316: 0
28 of 5316: 0
29 of 5316: 0
30 of 5316: 0
31 of 5316: 0
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34 of 5316: 0
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I Am An Ass!

#481 Posted by ELEK [199.179.175.141], 05/12/2000 05:38 GMT

Sorry I should have just posted the end of the log...kill me later.

#482 Posted by DeFrag [207.227.185.35], 05/12/2000 06:53 GMT

GOTS to be the longest post in the real-world.

Wooooaaaahhhh

#483 Posted by Fern [141.222.155.39], 05/12/2000 07:03 GMT

I got dizzy just holding down the scrollbar on that one.

#484 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.202], 05/12/2000 09:30 GMT , Refers to Post #480

I think there's a limit to the number of characters the process window in Worldcraft can display - once that limit's reached, that's it.

When working in shareware WC I tend to run vis from the DOS prompt. Especially full vis.

Thanks Fats

#485 Posted by ELEK [199.179.177.107], 05/12/2000 15:38 GMT

I don't have much problem running in process window. I guess if I really need to see the readout I should find another means. Will I see the status gauge when running vis in dosprmpt?

Texture Screw-ups

#486 Posted by Iain [208.181.205.10], 06/12/2000 06:12 GMT

. What's the deal with aligning textures in worldcraft? There SOMETIMES seems to be a huge difference in texture placement between editor and in-game veiws (i.e. beveled brushes or on a cylinder). Occasionally the textures are so distorted (rotated, mirrored or misaligned) it's like the editor just gave up trying and said F**K YOU. I understand the mirrored NORTH/SOUTH issues and the extra care needed with rotating brushes.

This problem seems to get worse with each newer version of WC. I thought it might be VIS or the Nehahra.exe but...

Currently using:
WQbsp (already tried TreeQbsp)
Rvis+
Tyrlight
was using registered WCv1.3
now using shareware WCv1.6
& Nehahra to run

Does registered WCv1.6b reduce this problem? If so, I think I'd have better luck finding buried treasure under my house, than findind a copy.

Do I simply have to stop crying

, and get on with it?

Iain

It's A WC Thing

#487 Posted by Fat Controller [203.96.111.202], 06/12/2000 09:24 GMT , Refers to Post #486

Worldcraft uses a slightly different texture alignment system to the original mapping system.

In order to get the texturing right, you can either:
1. Avoid 45� angles from flat to vertical planes. Try stretching these by 2 or maybe even 4 units in one direction - then you'll avoid the problem.
2. Use "flat" textures with no discernible grain on these surfaces.
3. Run WQBSP from the DOS prompt with the -alternateaxis switch - this tells the compiler that WC's b0rked the texture alignment info :)

The BSP format seems to attempt to map textures to the closest fitting cardinal plane; eg. a "west wall" is aligned along the YZ ("north/up") plane, a "north wall" along the XZ plane, and a ceiling to the XY plane. This, when you have complex curves and angles, can be a royal pain in the arse.

Sometimes...

#488 Posted by BlackPope [209.52.215.14], 07/12/2000 08:08 GMT

The map I'm working on has TONS of rotated textures at 45, 35, 27 etc's angles...

the trick is to carve the brush into shape keeping the thickness of the brush similar to whatever your lining it up with (sometimes this cannot be avoided)
on something like 45 degrees it's pretty easy...
then when you get into odd angles like 27 you might have to ajust the width/length of the texture by .2-.5 depending on your brush

It IS possible to align pretty much anything...

Also remember quake bsp doesn't rotate on degrees smaller than 1
eg. 0.5 / 0.25 (understand?) so it won't be perfect if your looking at each pixel up close... but c'mon 0.5 isn't far off!

#489 Posted by ELEK [199.179.175.30], 07/12/2000 22:15 GMT

Make sure you have the most current version of Wqbsp, I think it is 1.3 or something. I was using an older version b4 and having the same tex alignment problems.

#490 Posted by [np]poppycock [66.20.104.40], 09/12/2000 10:51 GMT

I have just one quick question to all you fellow map makers out there. I use the command r_clearcolor to change the color of the outside parts of the map. This command only works in winquake. Now when I want to view some of my levels in GL, you must use gl_clear 1 to get ride of the flickering effect, however, this makes the outside parts a bright red. r_clearcolor would allow me to change this color to maybe grey or black for better viewing but it doesnt work with GL. Is there a command that will allow me to do the same function as r_clearcolor but for GL?

#491 Posted by Iain [208.181.205.8], 12/12/2000 03:10 GMT , Refers to Post #489

According to the Wqbsp readme.txt I'm using version 1.65

Spinning Bits

#492 Posted by The Lieutenant [144.32.177.185], 12/12/2000 12:44 GMT

Quake1 - Hipnotic

How do I create those groovy rotating fans as seen in Rubicon and the Cassandra Calamity? I understand that I need 3 different entities to do it. What are they called, and what fields do each need?

Thanks

#493 Posted by ELEK [199.179.175.169], 12/12/2000 13:42 GMT , Refers to Post #492

CZG has written an excellent tutortial regarding rotater ents in Q1. http://www.planetquake.com/greyvoid. look around it is in there.

Hmmmmm......

#494 Posted by ELEK [199.179.175.169], 12/12/2000 13:52 GMT , Refers to Post #492

What version of WC are you using? This is odd I have never had problems with texture alignment other than on 45degree faces. But this was fixed when I moved to newer version of Wqbsp. I believe it is 1.65 that I am running now. Are you using texture lock when aligning texes? If not turn it on. If so try toggling it off then restart WC and toggle it on. Perhaps the coordinates are fux0red somehow? /me shrugs. Other than that if you are running 1.6 and have hardware acceleration turned on, try turning it off. I have found that running 1.6 with the 3d hardware acceleration turned on produces multiple bugs, errors, and weird problems that just plain suck. If all of that fails, then keep in mind when manipulating faces to use any angle but 45. Try 46 44 etc. use vertex manip and make the grid as small as it can get (hotkeys are [ and ] ) keep the vertex tool snapped to the grid and move the vertice up one or down one grid unit. Then try compiling and see if your texes align.
Good luck

Looking For Beta Testers

#495 Posted by Grahf [209.145.69.144], 13/12/2000 06:58 GMT

Maybe I should've asked in the general thread, but anyway, I'm almost done with my 100 Brush Contest map, and I wanted to get a second opinion before I send it to Aard. Anybody willing email me at

GrahfTheEmperor@SquaresoftRules.com

Preferably, I'd like someone not participating in the contest, but whatever really.

Some One Knows...

#496 Posted by Deathmonger [62.36.150.123], 13/12/2000 18:36 GMT

I've made my own fog shader...

textures/sfx/demo_fog
{
qer_editorimage textures/sfx/hellfog.tga
surfaceparm trans
surfaceparm nonsolid
surfaceparm fog
surfaceparm nodrop
surfaceparm nolightmap
q3map_globaltexture
fogparms ( 0.3 0.2 0.2 ) 5120 //vissible distance

{
map textures/liquids/kc_fogcloud3.tga
blendfunc gl_dst_color gl_zero
tcmod scale -.05 -.05
tcmod scroll .01 -.01
rgbgen identity
}

{
map textures/liquids/kc_fogcloud3.tga
blendfunc gl_dst_color gl_zero
tcmod scale .05 .05
tcmod scroll .01 -.01
rgbgen identity
}
}

It works perfectly but...
It seems not to affect 2 specyfic arches (meshes) in the map.. see this picso that you can get the idea.

Tell me if you know what is it.

Deathmonger

I Got Enough Beta Testers Now

#497 Posted by Grahf [209.145.70.174], 14/12/2000 04:02 GMT , Refers to Post #495

4 to be exact. thanks to those who signed up.

Who Needs A Title Anyway

#498 Posted by The Lieutenant [144.32.177.176], 14/12/2000 12:54 GMT , Refers to Post #493

I got Frika-C to explain it to me since I posted that. Thanks anyway.

Figured It Out Ta...

#499 Posted by palldjon [203.29.11.38], 21/12/2000 05:48 GMT , Refers to Post #475

No need to stress about the "func_door has no solid" iteration at post #475. I worked out what was going on during the construction of my 100brush entry.

Spawnflags...

#500 Posted by XeNoN [195.8.76.78], 22/12/2000 19:10 GMT

Right. If there are any expert mappers who can help me here, then I would be very grateful.

In certain editing mods, such as custents and nehahara, there are loads of different "flags" which you can add to custom entities.
The problem is, with my editor, you cannot add flags seperately, and instead have to just manually enter the "spawnflags" value.
Because of this, I have NO idea how to add multiple flags to an entity (eg. A crucified zombie that only appears on HARD skill).
Is there some sort of calculation you can use between spawnflag values in order to create multiple flags for an entity???

If you ARE an expert mapper and that seemed like complete bollox, then let me know, but if you could help then that would be great. Thanks!

Well, Sorta

#501 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.187.224], 22/12/2000 21:01 GMT , Refers to Post #500

you need to figure out the values for the various flags like the setting for hard diff. only. then add up the values that you want and plug that in.

if i'm remembering right, the spawnflag values are all binary values (1,2,4,8,16,etc), or they are all exponential values of 2. at least, that's how they go in quake 2 mapping. i can't imagine that would have changed between the 2 different games. with it set up this way, it equals out as each different flag represents a seperate bit value (1 or 0) in a binary representation for a single byte of data. yeah, i'm probably strafing off into stuff that doesn't matter, but it does help to understand how they work and why they are numbered that way. :)

anyway, hope at least some of that helps in some way or another.

Re:spawnflags

#502 Posted by Gilt [64.20.60.71], 22/12/2000 21:09 GMT

First off, I would suggest using an editor where it's easy to select the flags.

Anyway,to set multiple flags all you do is add the values together and use the sum as your value. They're binary numbers so they won't overlap.

#503 Posted by Gilt [64.20.60.71], 22/12/2000 21:11 GMT

I type too slow...

#504 Posted by XeNoN [195.8.76.208], 23/12/2000 17:07 GMT

Thats all I needed to know, the adding-together stuff. I dont want to change editor since I'm used to qED now and prefer it to WC and Stoneless.

No Clipping

#505 Posted by [np]poppycock [63.24.243.191], 23/12/2000 17:30 GMT

I have just one quick question to all you fellow map makers out there. I use the command r_clearcolor to change the color of the outside parts of the map. This command only works in winquake. Now when I want to view some of my levels in GL, you must use gl_clear 1 to get ride of the flickering effect, however, this makes the outside parts a bright red. r_clearcolor would allow me to change this color to maybe grey or black for better viewing but it doesnt work with GL. Is there a command that will allow me to do the same function as r_clearcolor but for GL?

Re: Huhkjhkjl

#506 Posted by CZG [148.122.66.52], 26/12/2000 01:25 GMT , Refers to Post #505

No. There is not.
hint: use gl_clear 0 and bind a key to the command BF
Whenever you hit this key the screen will flash (like when you pick up something) and clear out the HOM effect.so keep on hitting that button, and you can have the same effect as gl_clear, only with a garish, bright yellow colour.

Hi Mappers..

#507 Posted by maiden [216.154.14.26], 26/12/2000 16:18 GMT

Just wondering...what causes HOM's in maps and can it be attributed to using a particular (shitty) video card??

Thanks!

Depends On What Game

#508 Posted by Fern [24.147.243.193], 26/12/2000 18:21 GMT , Refers to Post #507

#509 Posted by maiden [216.154.9.25], 26/12/2000 19:56 GMT , Refers to Post #508

Quake III for example. And Quake II too. I've seen some HOM's in custom maps as well as levels that came with the game for both Q3A and Q2.. Sometimes the author is aware of the problem, just doesn't know how to fix it, and sometimes it only appears on some setups (like my aging TNT1 card).

Long Map Load Time ?anything Wrong

#510 Posted by samroski [194.125.133.245], 27/12/2000 00:06 GMT

Have just compiled a ctf level, and it is now ready for playtesting- no leaks, took like 3 hours (celeron 400) to vis/light/aas, and runs fine in q3- but it takes about 5 minutes to load when I open it in q3. The thing just jams on "awaiting connection", but runs fine when loaded.
Is this normal? Should I release it?

Long Map Load Time ?anything Wrong

#511 Posted by samroski [194.125.133.245], 27/12/2000 00:16 GMT

Have just compiled a ctf level, and it is now ready for playtesting- no leaks, took like 3 hours (celeron 400) to vis/light/aas, and runs fine in q3- but it takes about 5 minutes to load when I open it in q3. The thing just jams on "awaiting connection", but runs fine when loaded.
Is this normal? Should I release it for playtesting?

btw if interested screenshots at
http://icns.com/~samir/s2.jpg
http://icns.com/~samir/s1.jpg

CTF Level For Playtesting

#512 Posted by samroski [194.125.133.245], 28/12/2000 00:38 GMT , Refers to Post #511

have the above problem sorted and the level is ready for playtesting. Those interested:

http://icns.com/~samir/maps/ctfsrq.zip

3MB

#513 Posted by Stareye [192.121.70.242], 28/12/2000 11:48 GMT

Does anyone have any tips on archways, when making one, I either get a slow map (ie too many brushes) or the texture covers everything like a wall. What should I do? func_illusionary??

/Stareye

What Engine?

#514 Posted by kanaeda [207.208.137.203], 28/12/2000 19:11 GMT , Refers to Post #513

I'm assuming that you're working with the original quake based on the func_illusionary reference.

if so, my best suggestion is to run around in other maps to try and pick up whatever hints/ideas you can from studying the surrounding brushwork. i'd start with the original game maps. plenty of cool arches in the game. :)

What Kind Of Arches?

#515 Posted by Grahf [209.145.70.194], 28/12/2000 21:54 GMT , Refers to Post #513

A month or so ago, someone (fatty i think) posted some excellent 12 sided cylinder prefabs to this thread. They align perfectly, have a reasonably low poly count, etc. If you need a standard gothic-ish arch, just chop one of these cylinders in half, rotate, and place where you need it. In their unmodified form, a 128*128 texture aligns perfectly on the inside.

Or make your own... There are a number of ratios that will build perfect arches. I believe the prefab uses:

0,2; 2,4; 4,2; 2,0

If that doesn't make sense, don't sweat it.

If you build them right, the arches shouldn't cause excessive bsp/vis times, so making them solid entities should be unnecessary.

Not quite sure what you meant by the texture covering everything. Flat, non-detaiedl textures should work best in most cases.

Does that answer your question?

Shrunk Textures?

#516 Posted by Grahf [209.145.69.98], 28/12/2000 22:24 GMT

I've been working on a q1dm map using some large q3 style textures (evil_lair's set 5, actually). They work, and look, a lot better when shrunk by 50%. However, I recall someone saying that shrunk textures are in some way bad. Could someone enlighten me as to the potential problems in doing this?

#517 Posted by CZG [148.122.66.52], 29/12/2000 02:37 GMT , Refers to Post #516

Shrinking the texture also shrinks the resolution of the lightmap added to it, thus taking longer to light.
Also shrinking a texture increases the area that is to be textured. (If all the textures in the level are scaled .50, essentialy the entire level with everything in it is scaled to 200%.
Furthermore as for Q1s sake, Qbsp sometimes split faces where textures repeat, and so having the texture repeat more times makes the face split more.

All of the statements above are totally unproven and unsupported.
CZG takes no responsibility for any misconceptions that are inflicted upon the reader by this post.
CZG is a complete and total dork.

Software Quake Has A Heart Attack...

#518 Posted by Tron [203.12.165.8], 29/12/2000 02:57 GMT , Refers to Post #517

I've tried using high resolution textures as well but software quake just can't handle them, it get's really chuggy and dies a slow horrible choking death.

Tron