Don’t think of it as sides, think of it as different interacting factors that sometimes need to be stirred and shifted. They just became more visible.

And sometimes it’s good to ask yourself where you stand and why, and see where others stand and why.

Wouldn’t you rather know where you’re at?

Honest discussion is never wrong among honest people with good intentions.

I will provide an example: I used to get on Spirit’s case a lot years back about losing files/getting hacked and stuff in earlier incarnations of his projects. It was not personal — I was trying to push the concept of reliability and I was rather vocal about it, but at times he may have taken offense at it.

I have book Spirit sent me after “redirecting” a bounty and it is one of my most prized possessions — the only tangible object I have from the otherwise non-tangible form of this community.

Perhaps take into consideration that what cannot be denied is that all commenters in this thread have passionate interests and beliefs about a game that many of us feel is too important to be neglected and forgotten.

I don’t claim to be wise, but from experience I see the great way this community connects the dots and threads the needle.

Hell, 5.5 years ago I started a thread @ Func about “How to make real transparent glass” — and today that is a reality. I couldn’t engine code back then, I hadn’t made even a crappy map when I posted that thread. I was truly “green”.

Be patient, be wise, don’t be quick to interpret and understand that differences and conflicts naturally occur and are intended to occur.

But never dare to think that tomorrow will resemble today.

I’d say calm down everyone and reevaluate your opinions with the next RMQ demo, or the full release. Regardless of how purist or principle-focused one is, this mod/PC/TC/etc will be an important milestone in the history of (more or less regular) single player Quake, and it would be foolish to reject it prematurely.

I’d say that it’s spirit’s decision what he puts on his site, but I gotta admit that I don’t understand why he does not put RMQ on it.

I read the post at the top but afterwards I still had no idea why tbh. If I thought really hard about it I could most likely come up with the difference between a conversion/total conversion/mod/engine modification/Quake C hacks and thousand other tech terms, but what for.

On the ‘Quake feeling’ thing: please don’t get mad at me for saying this but you Q1 guys (not only spirit, hehe) are really strange when it comes to that. ;)

To me all of this stuff is 100% Q1 – even Hellsmash, what else could it be?! I know many other games and Hellsmash reminds me of nothing but Quake.
I mean Q1 people call your maps funky if you use more than 6 different *vanilla Quake textures* in it – and remade stock maps aren’t Quake enough. oO

This much is true. The purpose of a demo is a showcase, and in order to meet that purpose it’s sometimes necessary for it to over-emphasise certain features, even if doing so is to the detriment of maintaining an authentic overall feel.

I can only repeat what I said above: wait for the next SP demo, which is going to be a more cohesive standalone package and more representative of the overall product. That should settle any questions, one way or the other.

If it’s still felt to be “not Quake” after that, then so be it. But forming a final judgement on what RMQ is or is not at the present moment and based on what has been released so far is WAY premature.