Not a fan of the changed ogres... If I did not like Quake, I would not play it. ;)

Lovely vibe overall. Some bits felt a bit tacked on but the UT like textures and lighting are a nice nostalgia bonus.

Screenshot still coming?

Very beautiful -- reminds me a bit of sock's work; specifically In the Shadows.

I thought the map was better to look at than to play, though: it is very linear, and it is easy to get stuck on the (magnificent) level geometry. The secrets are also a little too easy. The modified monsters are ... odd. Not sure what to make of them.

In any case, I am very happy to see one of my favourite mappers return to Quake (for those who do not know, WarrenM = Willem).

Beautiful indeed.

Good, solid, uncomplicated fun. If I'd not just spend the last few days lost in the wonder of RRP, I would probably have given it four stars; but in light of how the bar's been raised in the recent months, I think three is more appropriate. There is a prettiness to the architecture but it's not really enough to lift the level above "OK" level, when the combats are so straightforward, the secrets so obvious, and (worst of all) the progression so linear.

Its straightforward, from point A to point B. I enjoyed it a good bit but IMO it could use more enemies.

It was really pretty to look at and you never felt like an area was underdetailed or bland.

Excellent, looks beautiful throughout. Since I am a little rusty in SP, I didn't mind the linear gameplay.

Good map!

Really nice looks! The Red armor secret was nice!

I thought the tight ledge on the cliff at the start was more annoyance then challenge though, felt a bit frustrated to be so contricted when there's multiple grenades coming at you.

Also think the skull cave would look better more assymetric.

But nice work!

The Hell That's Coming on The Quake Grave

I died a lot but I had fun in this one! A couple areas of the map are just too dark (cave, area before the arena) but when you can see the castle, it looks beautiful. Great look, good atmosphere, just a little dark in areas. Great work!

...oh, but no more group Spawns, okay? =P

Thanks guys!

Good map here! I love the tone shifts. The water tunnels were really claustrophobic and stressful and the arena fight started and stayed frantic. The shambler mod was a nice touch. I really admired the architecture too. All around fun level to play.

This map does not exceed any limits; the tag is wrong.

Very enjoyable, beautiful, linear map, I love the underwater graveyard.

negke, thanks for the correction. I was just going by what WarrenM wrote in the Func_Msgboard release thread:

This should work with any extended engine. It exceeds a limit or two, but doesn't go so far as to need BSP2.

Looks great, the environment is nicely detailed and well constructed, but I found the gameplay too straightforward and unchallenging, so didn't catch my interest.

Good linear layout with nice side areas. Good atmosphere. Quite good brushwork except on the cave or underwater areas which isn't to the level of the rest but almost there. Easy combats and lots of room to move, around ID skill 1 in difficulty, and decently done, but there is some enemies that won't hit the player in their lives. Needs skill choices. Nice secrets, but maybe too easy to reach (not to find) and with too big rewards sometimes, the exception being the RA one, that even though it is too much of a reward, the way to activate it is a very good one. Good use of colored lighting.

I would love if the door that connects the part at the beginning and the arena would open after the fight. Same with revisiting that room again, just as a option to go back would be enough. The part till the building at the beginning could be larger to add more atmosphere.

Rated 5- because of the flaws in gameplay and because it needs something that makes it stand out more aside from brushwork and theme, but of course it is a recommended map.

Good map but the difficulty is a bit steep for my tastes. I can't give anything less than 4 star though, it's a beaut.

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"Boss" wasn't moving for some reason while I SG spammed him from doorways without entering the room.

Great dark medieval vibe. The approach was well done and shows the export model process to be a success!

I actually liked the water catacomb section...the limited breath makes tensions high...but I am sucker for anything water in about any game.

Just played this today thanks to a comment by onetruepurple over at Func_... A nice map with lovely visuals and well crafted geometry. As others have noted, it lacks some interconnectedness and is a bit on the easy side (will have to replay this on skill 3), but is still quite fun to play.

Agree with Bloughsburgh, flooded catacombs are cool! Maybe a tad too bright though, compared to what's above sea level.

Kind of fun, until I lost myself and my patience in the catacombs. I'm rating this 3 until I become interested in trying to finish this again.

Strangely enough, I didn't notice any monster modification save for one exploding Shambler. The mod loads in the traditional way, and no error occurs, so I have no idea what I've done wrong.

The first two secrets are so hopelessly easy to find they shouldn't count as secrets.

Very good. I like that the ogres and the zombies are highly z-aware.

I rediscovered this map while watching old Custom Gamer videos. RIP, Daz.

This map is pretty if not too dark. I get that the moon shining down on spots in the darkness is the visual conceit for the first portion of this, but it also hinders gameplay quite a bit. The dark session also ends with a drop that conceals a family of spawns, but also cuts the player off from the map's first 3 secrets.

The arena fight in this is reasonable and fun. It comes at the halfway point of the map, and there is none at the end, so the lack of the grenade launcher is a bit disappointing.

People have mentioned how the ogres are z-aware in this. They also seem to lead their grenades. Considering this, the level design focusing on narrow hallways whenever you meet them is a bit of a mistake. You must fight 3 ogres in the beginning of the map on a narrow mountain ledge, and with your basic shotgun should you fail to find the SSG secret.

The ending is a anticlimatic. The map ends on a fight with the new shambler. One also spawns at the end of the mid-level arena fight, and that one is immediately aggressive. The end map shambler is alone and turned away from the player. This might be the only map I ever played that's significantly harder in the very beginning than on its duration.

Another area of contention is the map has modified progs.dat that still allows fish to block the player's path after death, and of course it has narrow underwater pathways filled with fish.

This map must've hit on some form of deep level design goodness because I've played it multiple times since yesterday, and even after sleeping on it, I still like it. It fits different environments coherently and the first third of the map is engaging possibly thanks to its unfairness.

It introduces harder variants of old monsters in situations the player is in definite disadvantage, poor visibility, and without finding secrets all must be done with a single barrel shotgun and no armour! By the time I reached the mid-level arena fight the map was pretty comfy. I wish Warren had used these modifications on further maps.